From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 03:01:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C03B106568D for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=8wEQXRgj=GG=asarian-host.net=admin@asarian-host.net) Received: from mail.asarian-host.net (mail.asarian-host.net [194.109.160.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002E68FC25 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from queuerun.asarian-host.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.asarian-host.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9H311Wb077680 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:01:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from admin@asarian-host.net) DomainKey-Signature: q=dns; a=rsa-sha1; h=from:subject:message-id:date:x-asarian_host-authenticated-sender:x-asarian_host-trace:x-asarian_host-virus-checked:organization:to:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; c=nofws; s=anon; d=asarian-host.net; b=H/HV0UJ0Ueyio0YOyexSX1ph6A5vwShdht4X8EHqyGA8JNf4AgGp0ZUV7weqNjbGf5Ym9sKKhxyZ+KLbkbhntyluq0dGUwNKWzeNAuuxan7QDKwwh1Tvcsu0LgbRU29hG/IFt1MuHlM1grgcA7rWSuK9i4ZEzXg5P3yleOotb+E= From: Mark Message-Id: <200910170234.n9H2YeRI077329@asarian-host.net> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:34:40 GMT X-ASARIAN_HOST-Authenticated-Sender: admin@asarian-host.net X-ASARIAN_HOST-Trace: huM8PmFGIr0yVzoW6DErOZgmEgV5S5WfjZTCdAc7qUuddYbka/8kJqMXE26gJSKr X-ASARIAN_HOST-Complaints-To: abuse@asarian-host.net X-ASARIAN_HOST-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, otherwise we are unable to process your complaint X-ASARIAN_HOST-Virus-Checked: Scanned by ClamAV on asarian-host.net Organization: Asarian-host To: References: <4AD8EB8F.9010900@videotron.ca> <20091017010758.088b8b8c.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AD9016E.20302@videotron.ca> <4AD90946.4020204@ibctech.ca> <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> In-Reply-To: <4AD91DE0.3030701@videotron.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: I hate to bitch but bitch I must X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:01:03 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of PJ Sent: zaterdag 17 oktober 2009 3:50 To: Steve Bertrand Cc: Polytropon; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must >>>> but from man tunefs: >>>> BUGS >>>> This utility should work on active file systems. >>>> What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on >>>> active file systems. ??? >>>> >>>> >>> It "should". This means: Don't try that. :-) >>> >>> My printer isn't printing! >>> But it should. >>> No, it is not printing! >>> Yes, but it should. >>> :-) Actually, this has got very little to do with being a native English speaker or not. It's ere a matter of intonation (which, in writing, can only be conveyed to a certain degree, of course). 'Should' can certainly mean "Don't try that." As in: Will the ice hold me? Well, technically it should. (Meaning: it probably will, but I'm not overly confident.) >> Aha! Gotcha! Whoever wrote that has made an unintentionnal booboo. It >> is a subtle difference and is indicative that whoever wrote it is not >> a native english user... the meaning is clearly "should be executed, >> done, carried out, performed" The meaning of 'should' is not nearly as narrow as you suggest. Often it also denotes reservation (as in the above example). To illustrate once more: Can I run dump on an active file system? It *should* run on an active file system, provided (enumerations of conditions which would need to be met; like preferably no disk-activity when making the backup). (Meaning: it can be done, but it's ill-advised, really.) And clearly it does not mean "should be executed, done, carried out, performed." Another one: Will he run for President? Well, he should be able to get enough votes. (Meaning: if everything goes as planned, he might succeed, but it's by no means guaranteed he'll actually get enough votes). So, given the right intonation and context, "This utility should work on active file systems." can certainly be understood to mean one could technically do so, but that it's not recommended. - Mark