From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 12 21:10:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B71C16A400; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:10:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thompsa@freebsd.org) Received: from heff.fud.org.nz (203-109-251-39.static.bliink.ihug.co.nz [203.109.251.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5B613C483; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:09:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thompsa@freebsd.org) Received: by heff.fud.org.nz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 053CB1CC59; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:09:58 +1200 (NZST) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:09:58 +1200 From: Andrew Thompson To: Ian FREISLICH Message-ID: <20070412210957.GA31864@heff.fud.org.nz> Mail-Followup-To: Andrew Thompson , Ian FREISLICH , Peter Jeremy , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, brooks@freebsd.org References: <20070411191450.GE815@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, brooks@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CFT: new trunk(4) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:10:00 -0000 On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 07:39:00AM +0200, Ian FREISLICH wrote: > Peter Jeremy wrote: > > On 2007-Apr-11 15:43:04 +0200, Ian FREISLICH wrote: > > >Andrew Thompson wrote: > > >> On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 11:17:29AM +0200, Ian FREISLICH wrote: > > >> > We're making extensive use of vlans to increase the number of > > >> > interfaces availabble to us using switches to break out gigE into > > >> > 100M interfaces. The bandwidth problem we're having is to our > > >> > provider, a 100M connection, and we're looking at doing exactly > > >> > this. However, it appears that this interface can't trunk vlan > > >> > interfaces. > > =2E.. > > >No, I'm sure I want it the way I said. I know it sounds wrong, but > > >I just don't have enough PCI-X slots to waste 2 on physical 100M > > >NICs for the uplink from the routers. > > > > Trunking is a way of combining multiple physical interfaces to increase > > the bandwidth. Trunking multiple VLANs on a single interface doesn't > > make sense to me. > > 802.1q is VLAN tagging and trunking. This interface is LACP - link > aggregation. I really think that it makes no sense to be able to > aggregate some ethernet interfaces and not others. I suppose some > pedant will tell me vlan interfaces are not ethernet. I think the unfortunate name of trunk(4) that we inherited from OpenBSD is causing quite some confusion. trunk(4) actually has nothing to do with vlan trunking which I think you are after. I can see this topic coming up again so it could save some time to rename the driver now. It would mean that we lose the naming link to the same driver in OpenBSD but you cant win em all. Some names that have been suggested are: linkag(4) agr(4) bond(4) <- same as linux Any suggestions! Andrew