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Date:      Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:06:01 +0000 (GMT)
From:      Culf <culf@nessie.mcc.ac.uk>
To:        freebsd-doc@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: URLs too transient? Re: www/en/security/security.sgml update 
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0012211405320.1858-100000@nessie.mcc.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20001215121319.00900860@mail.accessone.com>

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On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Bengt Richter wrote:

> PMJI, but I had a possibly useful thought (?):
> 
> Using URLs/links in docs is great when there is assurance
> that they can be followed, but for a long-lasting document,
> is it wise to point to internet sites per se, unless there
> is some kind of official guarantee that they will persist?
> 
> In a hardcopy manual, you wouldn't refer in a footnote to
> other hard copy located at the library on 123 Main St, Anytown,
> USA. You would refer by title, author, and ISBN number, etc.,
> so it could be found in any similarly indexed repository.
> 
> That last is the key (pun) to what I am getting at: To have
> reliable persistent distributed docs, the references have to
> be in terms of a reference system, not locations. URLs serve
> both purposes, so it's confusing, but it bears thinking about
> (IMHO). Look at where that confusion led in the DOS/windows
> file system and you realize the pain caused by including impermanent
> physical/hardware references ('<drive letter>:') in what should be
> pure information references.
> 
> Imagine seeing '#include "/dev/<hard disk id>/.../actual-file.h"'
> in unix source! Gak. Thank goodness the unix founding fathers thought
> to provide mount, to keep the information space separate and clean.
> 
> For a document that may exist live on the internet, on local disks,
> on CD, and possibly bound paper, "http://" is a little like "/dev/",
> so should non-relative references be strictly controlled/validated?
> 
> If you went with the unix philosophy, I guess you would have a mount
> point (e.g., /http, like /cdrom), and keep the physical source and
> file system format separate. Then we could have a document hierarchy
> based on a mount point as unchanging root, instead of using site URLs
> as root(s). Maybe not so much would have to change, except being very
> careful about non-relative links.
> 
> What URL represents a reliable document root forever? I wouldn't matter,
> if you could just plunk it into fstab.
> 
> Just my USD.02
> 
> Regards,
> Bengt Richter
> "We are all ignorant, just on different subjects." -- Will Rogers
> 
> At 02:16 2000-12-15 -0600 Michael C . Wu wrote:
> >Well, here is another update. :)
> >
> >I removed the list of security advisories and simply pointed
> >people at the url to fetch them, this should be lower maintainence
> >for our security staff. IMHO, this is also a better way to save 
> >bandwidth for people in low-bandwidth countries.  To list 
> >the whole set of advisories seems pointless.
> >
> >I am not sure how best to link to /auditors.html, so please make sure
> >you do it the Right Way. :)
> >
> >A link and explanation is added to the auditing project and
> >its homepage. 
> >
> >
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