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Date:      Mon, 1 Sep 2014 20:14:22 -0700
From:      yaneurabeya@gmail.com
To:        Andrew Berg <aberg010@my.hennepintech.edu>
Cc:        pkg@freebsd.org, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Current <current@freebsd.org>, stable@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org, Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorbs.net>, "Sam Fourman Jr." <sfourman@gmail.com>
Subject:   Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool
Message-ID:  <8E432427-B3A8-4BF7-B54F-DE9B8CA268DC@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <54053363.2030606@my.hennepintech.edu>
References:  <20140901195520.GB77917@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <54050D07.4010404@sorbs.net> <CAOFF%2BZ1MOr9-rYbwHYWqBKjMvRPwUnew4jThEoJ_WkoTmwyNsQ@mail.gmail.com> <540522A3.9050506@sorbs.net> <54052891.5000104@my.hennepintech.edu> <54052B1D.3040607@sorbs.net> <54053363.2030606@my.hennepintech.edu>

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On Sep 1, 2014, at 20:02, Andrew Berg <aberg010@my.hennepintech.edu> =
wrote:

> On 2014.09.01 21:27, Michelle Sullivan wrote:
>> Actually it's an inconvenience for someone like me and you.  Not for
>> many freebsd users, and certainly not for me 6 months ago if I hadn't
>> been writing my own ports.... oh and what was it, 1.3.6 -> 1.3.7? =
broke
>> shit... (badly) ...
> There were instructions for upgrading 1.3.6 to 1.3.7 alongside a =
notice that
> things would not be good if the instructions were not followed and an
> explanation of the issue. I think these kinds of notices need to reach =
more
> people, but of course, that is easier said than done.
> BTW, from what I have observed, 1.3.x issues have affected Poudriere =
users the
> most, binary package users a bit less (but still significantly), and =
pure ports
> users very little.
>=20
>>> Also, 9.3 is out and the 9.2 EOL is not far away. Not sure why you =
would be
>>> doing a new install with 9.2.
>>>=20
>> Try getting yourself a FreeBSD server at Softlayer...  They still
>> install 7.x for Christ's sake (amongst others - but last time I =
checked,
>> on new servers, 8.4, 9.0, 9.1, 10.0*)
> Fair enough.
>=20
>> (not had time - because an EOL message is not a 'It will not
>> work after this date' message it is a 'you're unsupported after this
>> date and things *might* not work as expected'
> No, it means "we're not supporting this any more, so we don't care if =
there are
> new vulnerabilities or things stop working". I'm not going to dictate =
to other
> people what their upgrade schedule should be, but anyone running =
unsupported
> versions of software should not have any expectation that the =
ecosystem around
> it will be accommodating.
> The ports tree already requires a lot work to make sure everything =
works on
> supported versions of FreeBSD, and I see no reason whatsoever for =
anyone to put
> effort into making it work on EOL versions.

	Installing pkgng on FreeBSD 7.x isn=92t impossible, but it does =
require jumping through some hoops because xz not being present until =
8.x. These directions aren=92t complete (welcome to feedback if anyone =
runs into issues), but they=92re a start: =
https://github.com/yaneurabeya/scratch/blob/master/docs/cheatsheets/freebs=
d .
Cheers!
-Garrett

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