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Date:      Sun, 24 Jan 1999 02:42:05 -0800
From:      David Greenman <dg@root.com>
To:        jonathan michaels <jon@caamora.com.au>
Cc:        freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD - A User's Point of View 
Message-ID:  <199901241042.CAA17862@implode.root.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:25:33 %2B1100." <19990124212533.B17658@caamora.com.au> 

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>>    Actually, prior to softupdates, FreeBSD's filesystem performance wasn't
>> very good compared to ext2fs for the very reason that ext2fs is "fast and
>> loose" by defering metadata writes. This has the downside of making ext2fs
>> filesystem integrity unreliable in the face of a system crash or power
>> failure. FFS does not have this problem, but is much slower as a result.
>
>ok to laod gun, just please don't shoot just yet.
>
>is this softupdates teh same as a journaling filesystem, if not is freebsd 
>going to evolve such a creature ?
>
>what would teh arguments be one way ot the other, please.

   Softupdates is a thing that Kirk McKusick developed for FFS, based on work
by Greg Ganger, that manages a sophisticated set of metadata dependencies such
that metadata writes can be defered without danger of filesystem corruption
if the system should crash or lose power. It's sort of a new and improved FFS
and is not related to journaling/log-structured filesystems. FFS with
softupdates is believed to be at least as fast as LFS without any of the
downside of LFS (such as the need to do a periodic cleanup pass).

-DG

David Greenman
Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project

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