From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Wed Oct 21 08:19:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F317A1A6C5 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:19:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [66.135.54.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D651DE5; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id CB7055618B; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 19:00:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 19:00:29 -0500 From: Mark Linimon To: Ian Lepore Cc: Bryan Drewery , John Baldwin , 'freebsd-arch' Subject: Re: Retiring in-tree GDB Message-ID: <20151021000029.GB24405@lonesome.com> References: <2678091.es0AGJQ0Ou@ralph.baldwin.cx> <5626B15C.4080408@FreeBSD.org> <1445377905.99375.22.camel@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1445377905.99375.22.camel@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:19:09 -0000 On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 03:51:45PM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: > This just-won't-die meme that a "functional system" is nothing more > than a bare kernel and an init binary and everything else comes from > ports is extra-scary I think this is an exaggeration. IMHO it's a legitimate question to ask, "what is a minimal base system". Note: I (have to) use debian at work. I was given the task "figure out what parts of all this mess were installed by what, and which ones we even need in the first place". I do not want to go there. It took me days to do the forensics, and then script a build-from-scratch mode. I do think we can ask "how many people need the test suite" and "how many people need 3 firewalls". I do not think we can ask "how many people need the base compiler". Well, if asked, answered: all of them, if we want to keep being FreeBSD. mcl