From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Wed Mar 7 11:44:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF18F48C83 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 11:44:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "land.berklix.org", Issuer "land.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9C896E922; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 11:44:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FA8FAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.250.143.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by land.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w27BhLHT058881 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Mar 2018 11:43:25 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id w27Bijb5011672; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 12:44:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id w27BiLeb086509; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 12:44:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201803071144.w27BiLeb086509@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Mark Linimon cc: Bryan Drewery , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, deb@freebsdfoundation.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.eu BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.eu/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.eu/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 05 Mar 2018 20:05:15 -0600." <20180306020515.GA4294@lonesome.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2018 12:44:21 +0100 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2018 11:44:59 -0000 Mark Linimon wrote: > On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 11:46:59PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > I agree with the other person's thoughts that FreeBSD fixes uncommited > > for years destroys incentive to file more fixes. > > I do not know anyone who disagrees with this. > > The issue is how to get people involved with this utterly thankless task. > > And, even if the backlog were to suddenly disappear, we still get more > PRs per day than we can effectively handle. > > One person is not going to be enough to fix this -- and I know, because > in the past, I've tried being that one person. > > > If so, it would be nice if FreeBSD Foundation got a refund for CoC > > & spent it on a a student janitor to clear up years old send-pr's. > > There is a false equivalence here, that time spent on the CoC somehow > took time away from working on PRs. I don't detect much overlap between > the people that work on the one, vs. the other. > > mcl Yes, little overlap in skill sets, just money. A non tech paid for the easy job of writing a CoC couldn't do send-pr clearance, though many a FreeBSD user could write a CoC unpaid, without the bad bits. Send-pr clearance is much larger, harder, unattractive compared to text or code creation. Commercial companies get unattractive jobs done using Money. FreeBSD Foundation won't have enough money for much send-pr (esp. if things like CoC are paid, increasing costs and reducing contributions). The Foundation could treat each send-pr cleared like a lottery ticket: each month some randomised bug clearers would get an unexpected bonus. Bonus winners advertised monthly on FreeBSD media, encouraging more bug clearance & more donations to fund it. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, Computer Consultant, Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich Brexit Referendum stole 3,700,000 votes, inc. 700,000 from British in EU. UK Govt. lied it's "democratic" in Article 50 letter to EU paragraph 3. Petition for votes: http://berklix.eu/queen/