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Date:      Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:34:14 -0800
From:      "Prasad ingole" <prasad.freebsd@gmail.com>
To:        freebsd-doc@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: freebsd-doc Digest, Vol 260, Issue 4
Message-ID:  <2574cc210803200834p19dbae91q9189b847ed17bb01@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Guys ...

Whatever technology u decide for creating voting stuff , please let mw know
the developement details , as I am very much inetersted in doing the
developement work . Learning and experimenting with new language for that
matter , will be reaaly interseting for me ...

Please finalise soon ...

Regards,
Prasad


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>   1. Re: docs/121821: [patch] wpa_supplicant.conf.5 - provide
>      pointer to        sample configuration file (John Baldwin)
>   2. Re: Need an environment for dynamic web content for
>      freebsd.org (Murray Stokely)
>   3. mount_devfs in handbook (Tom Van Looy)
>   4. Re: docs/121838: [patch] add portmaster(8) section to ports
>      chapter of        the handbook (Doug Barton)
>   5. Re: amd64/121863: IPSEC handbook update for FreeBSD 7 and
>      later (bz@FreeBSD.org)
>   6. Re: docs/121871: ftpd does interpret configuration files as
>      documented (linimon@FreeBSD.org)
>   7. Re: conf/121871: ftpd does interpret configuration files as
>      documented (Vadim Goncharov)
>   8. Re: Need an environment for dynamic web content for
>      freebsd.org (Vadim Goncharov)
>   9. Re: Need an environment for dynamic web content for
>      freebsd.org (Vadim Goncharov)
> 10. Re: Need an environment for dynamic web content for
>      freebsd.org (Vadim Goncharov)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:13:23 -0400
> From: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>
> Subject: Re: docs/121821: [patch] wpa_supplicant.conf.5 - provide
>        pointer to      sample configuration file
> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Sam Leffler <sam@freebsd.org>
> Message-ID: <200803190913.24046.jhb@freebsd.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-15"
>
> On Tuesday 18 March 2008 05:40:04 pm Sam Leffler wrote:
> > The following reply was made to PR docs/121821; it has been noted by
> GNATS.
> >
> > From: Sam Leffler <sam@freebsd.org>
> > To: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>
> > Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Edwin Groothuis <edwin@mavetju.org>,
> >         FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org
> > Subject: Re: docs/121821: [patch] wpa_supplicant.conf.5 - provide
> pointer
> >  to sample configuration file
> > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:18:52 -0700
> >
> >  John Baldwin wrote:
> >  > On Tuesday 18 March 2008 05:03:29 am Edwin Groothuis wrote:
> >  >>> Number:         121821
> >  >>> Category:       docs
> >  >>> Synopsis:       [patch] wpa_supplicant.conf.5 - provide pointer to
> >  >>> sample configuration file Confidential:   no
> >  >>> Severity:       non-critical
> >  >>> Priority:       low
> >  >>> Responsible:    freebsd-doc
> >  >>> State:          open
> >  >>> Quarter:
> >  >>> Keywords:
> >  >>> Date-Required:
> >  >>> Class:          change-request
> >  >>> Submitter-Id:   current-users
> >  >>> Arrival-Date:   Tue Mar 18 09:10:01 UTC 2008
> >  >>> Closed-Date:
> >  >>> Last-Modified:
> >  >>> Originator:     Edwin Groothuis
> >  >>> Release:        FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE i386
> >  >>> Organization:
> >  >>
> >  >> -
> >  >>
> >  >>> Environment:
> >  >>
> >  >> System: FreeBSD k7.mavetju 6.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE #0: Sun
> Feb
> >  >> 17 22:11:52 EST 2008 edwin@k7.mavetju:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/SMP
> >  >> i386
> >  >>
> >  >>> Description:
> >  >>
> >  >> It took me a while to figure out how to properly use a WEP (silly
> >  >> Nintendo DS doesn't know about WPA so I needed to reconfigure my
> >  >> network) configuration. Once I had read through the
> wpa_supplicant.conf
> >  >> in /usr/src/contrib/wpa_supplicant it was clear at once.
> >  >>
> >  >>> How-To-Repeat:
> >  >>> Fix:
> >  >>
> >  >> Index: wpa_supplicant.conf.5
> >  >> ===================================================================
> >  >> RCS file:
> >  >> /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/wpa/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf.5,v
> >  >> retrieving revision 1.9
> >  >> diff -u -r1.9 wpa_supplicant.conf.5
> >  >> --- wpa_supplicant.conf.5 11 Jul 2007 16:04:08 -0000      1.9
> >  >> +++ wpa_supplicant.conf.5 18 Mar 2008 08:59:02 -0000
> >  >> @@ -518,6 +518,11 @@
> >  >>          wep_key0=42FEEDDEAFBABEDEAFBEEFAA55
> >  >>  }
> >  >>  .Ed
> >  >> +.Pp
> >  >> +More examples can be found in the supplied
> >  >> +.Pa wpa_supplicant.conf
> >  >> +in
> >  >> +.Pa /usr/src/contrib/wpa_supplicant/ .
> >  >>  .Sh SEE ALSO
> >  >>  .Xr wpa_cli 8 ,
> >  >>  .Xr wpa_passphrase 8 ,
> >  >
> >  > This should
> >  > reference /usr/share/examples/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
> >  > instead since HEAD installs it there and /usr/src/ is not installed
> on
> >  > all machines.
> >  >
> >  > BTW, it seems to me that wpa_supplicant.conf should just go
> >  > in /usr/share/examples/etc/ since it lives in /etc and is only a
> single
> >  > file rather than having its own subdirectory.
> >
> >  I believe there were other files that could go in examples and/or I
> >  followed existing practice from another app.  But feel free to change
> it.
>
> Hmm, so there is the src/contrib/wpa_supplicant/examples subdirectory
> which
> contains some simple examples.  Do you think those are suitable to
> install?
>
> Also, my path above is wrong it is /usr/share/examples/wpa_supplicant (no
> etc)
> which is quite common among other apps and I wouldn't move it from
> there.  A
> nested directory in etc would have been odd, but that isn't the case. :)
>
> --
> John Baldwin
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:19:27 -0700
> From: "Murray Stokely" <murray@stokely.org>
> Subject: Re: Need an environment for dynamic web content for
>        freebsd.org
> To: "Jeremy Chadwick" <koitsu@freebsd.org>
> Cc: Vadim Goncharov <vadim_nuclight@mail.ru>, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org
> Message-ID:
>        <2a7894eb0803190819la4fe2e4pc8a38187343b9e96@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Apparently there is a MoinMoin plugin for voting that we're going to
> look at.  This doesn't really seem to be exactly what we're looking
> for because we are not looking to hold elections -- we want to accept
> new items, allow users to vote and comment on existing items, and
> present a sorted list of the most highly ranked items, so I'd still be
> happy if anyone can present other solutions we should investigate.
>
>             - Murray
>
> On 3/19/08, Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@freebsd.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 08:21:01AM +0000, Vadim Goncharov wrote:
> >  > >> No. Not PHP. Ever. Forget.
> >  > >>
> >  > >>  It should at least cgi or, as aforemetioned, a wiki-like page.
> There can be
> >  > >>  already some wiki engines which allow voting.
> >  > > I've not seen any useful voting mechanism implemented on a wiki.
> >  > > Pointers?  CGI is exactly the kind of 15 year old stagnant web
> >  > > technology we are trying to get away from. We need quick
> templating,
> >  > > sessions, high level UI libraries, etc..
> >  >
> >  > Yes.
> >  >
> >  > > All of which things like PHP, Python/Django, etc.. provide.
> >  >
> >  > They all provide, except PHP :) Every serious PHP project is
> reinventing
> >  > template system, database abastraction layers
> >
> >
> > Because PHP's DBI implementation sucks horribly.  One of the worst
> >  things about it is that it doesn't support placeholders/binds in query
> >  strings.  Another horrible aspect is that there's a separate API
> >  function name per DBI, rather than using a standard calling convention
> >  and let you pick a database driver to use (like perl and most other
> >  languages).
> >
> >  The only reason people use PHP -- and that includes me (yes, I speak
> >  fluent PHP) -- is because it's *convenient*.  It interfaces with
> >  webservers in a much "nicer" way, and has a significant number of API
> >  functions that are more web-friendly than, say, perl.
> >
> >  And don't even get me started on how to debug PHP.  I hope you enjoy
> >  using print/echo repetitively throughout code.
> >
> >  I have no interest in Python, because any language which treats
> >  whitespace and tabs differently can rot (even assemblers don't behave
> >  this way!).  And I will strangle whoever recommends Ruby or Ruby on
> >  Rails.
> >
> >
> >  > >       - Murray (who doesn't know/use PHP, but knows that the
> freebsd
> >  > > web presence is notably missing something like it)
> >  >
> >  > Anything but PHP. Don't choose that buggy, slow, immanently insecure
> >  > technology. Please.
> >  >
> >  > P.S. You can see http://tnx.nl/php for a short summary of PHP
> drawbacks. Even
> >  > Perl is much better.
> >
> >
> > I would agree with this.  One can accomplish great things with
> >  p5-libwww.
> >
> >  The existing CMSs out there (for both PHP and perl) are either horribly
> >  written, or bloated beyond belief.  The same goes for most Wiki
> >  software, again regardless of PHP or perl.
> >
> >  Then again, all said comments are coming from a person who's very much
> a
> >  minimalist.  :-)
> >
> >
> >  --
> >  | Jeremy Chadwick                                    jdc at
> parodius.com |
> >  | Parodius Networking
> http://www.parodius.com/ |
> >  | UNIX Systems Administrator                      Mountain View, CA,
> USA |
> >  | Making life hard for others since 1977.                  PGP:
> 4BD6C0CB |
> >
> >
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:48:37 +0000
> From: "Tom Van Looy" <assarix@pandora.be>
> Subject: mount_devfs in handbook
> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <W452841749648361205945317@nocme1bl6.telenet-ops.be>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi I found a mount_devfs in the handbook, I think this is wrong because
> the command is not on my system (7.0 release). I suggest it needs to be
> corrected as below.
>
> --- jails-build.html.old        2008-03-19 08:08:38.424074900 +0100
> +++ jails-build.html    2008-03-19 08:09:34.471146500 +0100
> @@ -61,7 +61,7 @@
> class="USERINPUT">make distribution DESTDIR=$D</kbd> <a id="JAILDISTRIB"
> name="JAILDISTRIB"><img src="./imagelib/callouts/3.png" hspace="0"
> vspace="0" border="0"
> alt="(3)" /></a>
> -<samp class="PROMPT">#</samp> <kbd class="USERINPUT">mount_devfs devfs
> $D/dev</kbd> <a
> +<samp class="PROMPT">#</samp> <kbd class="USERINPUT">mount -t devfs devfs
> $D/dev</kbd> <a
> id="JAILDEVFS" name="JAILDEVFS"><img src="./imagelib/callouts/4.png"
> hspace="0"
> vspace="0" border="0" alt="(4)" /></a>
> </pre>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:40:02 GMT
> From: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>
> Subject: Re: docs/121838: [patch] add portmaster(8) section to ports
>        chapter of      the handbook
> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org
> Message-ID: <200803191840.m2JIe2DW029289@freefall.freebsd.org>
>
> The following reply was made to PR docs/121838; it has been noted by
> GNATS.
>
> From: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>
> To: John Ferrell <jdferrell3@yahoo.com>
> Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org
> Subject: Re: docs/121838: [patch] add portmaster(8) section to ports
> chapter
> of     the handbook
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:12:52 -0700
>
> John Ferrell wrote:
> >> Number:         121838
> >> Category:       docs
> >> Synopsis:       [patch] add portmaster(8) section  to ports chapter of
> the handbook
> >> Confidential:   no
> >> Severity:       non-critical
> >> Priority:       low
> >> Responsible:    freebsd-doc
> >> State:          open
> >> Quarter:
> >> Keywords:
> >> Date-Required:
> >> Class:          change-request
> >> Submitter-Id:   current-users
> >> Arrival-Date:   Tue Mar 18 19:20:01 UTC 2008
> >> Closed-Date:
> >> Last-Modified:
> >> Originator:     John Ferrell
> >> Release:        7.0
> >> Organization:
> >> Environment:
> > FreeBSD fbsd.local 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Mon Mar 10
> 18:30:02 EDT 2008     root@fbsd.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JDF  i386
> >
> >> Description:
> > Patch to add a section on portmaster(8) to the ports chapter of the
> handbook.
> >
> > Note:  I submitted a patch, 'docs/121648: [patch] add portmaster(8) to
> man-refs.ent', that this patch relies on.
> >> How-To-Repeat:
> >
> >> Fix:
> > --- chapter.sgml.orig        2008-03-11 12:46:26.000000000 -0400
> > +++ chapter.sgml     2008-03-18 14:07:22.000000000 -0400
> > @@ -1293,6 +1293,97 @@
> >
> >      <para>For further information see &man.portmanager.1;.</para>
> >        </sect3>
> > +
> > +      <sect3 id="portmaster">
> > +    <title>Upgrading Ports using Portmaster</title>
> > +
> > +    <indexterm>
> > +      <primary>portmaster</primary>
> > +    </indexterm>
> > +
> > +    <para><application>Portmaster</application> is yet another utility
> for
> > +      upgrading installed ports.  <application>Portmaster</application>
> > +          was designed make use of the tools found in the
> <quote>base</quote>
> > +          system (it does not depend upon any other ports) and uses the
> > +          information in <filename
> class="directory">/var/db/pkg/</filename>
> > +          to determine which ports to upgrade.  It is available from
> the
> > +      <filename role="package">ports-mgmt/portmaster</filename>
> port:</para>
> > +
> > +    <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>cd <filename
> role="directory">/usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster</filename></userinput>
> > +&prompt.root; <userinput>make install clean</userinput></screen>
> > +
> > +        <para><application>Portmaster</application> groups ports into
> four
> > +          categories:</para>
> > +
> > +        <itemizedlist>
> > +          <listitem>
> > +            <para>Root ports (no dependencies, not depended on)</para>
> > +            </listitem>
> > +          <listitem>
> > +            <para>Trunk ports (no dependencies, are depended on)</para>
> > +            </listitem>
> > +          <listitem>
> > +            <para>Branch ports (have dependencies, are depended
> on)</para>
> > +            </listitem>
> > +          <listitem>
> > +            <para>Leaf ports (have dependencies, not depended
> on)</para>
> > +            </listitem>
> > +        </itemizedlist>
> > +
> > +        <para>You can list all the installed ports and search
> > +          for updates using the <option>-L</option> option:</para>
> > +
> > +<screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>portmaster -L</userinput>
> > +===>>> Root ports (No dependencies, not depended on)
> > +===>>> ispell-3.2.06_18
> > +===>>> screen-4.0.3
> > +        ===>>> New version available: screen-4.0.3_1
> > +===>>> tcpflow-0.21_1
> > +===>>> 7 root ports
> > +...
> > +===>>> Branch ports (Have dependencies, are depended on)
> > +===>>> apache-2.2.3
> > +        ===>>> New version available: apache-2.2.8
> > +...
> > +===>>> Leaf ports (Have dependencies, not depended on)
> > +===>>> automake-1.9.6_2
> > +===>>> bash-3.1.17
> > +        ===>>> New version available: bash-3.2.33
> > +...
> > +===>>> 32 leaf ports
> > +
> > +===>>> 137 total installed ports
> > +        ===>>> 83 have new versions available
> > +</screen>
> > +
> > +    <para>All the installed ports can be upgraded using this simple
> > +      command:</para>
> > +
> > +    <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>portmaster -a</userinput></screen>
> > +
> > +    <note><para>By default, <application>Portmaster</application>
> > +          will make a backup package before deleting the existing
> port.  If
> > +          the installation of the new version is successful,
> > +          <application>Portmaster</application> will delete the backup.
> > +          Using the <option>-b</option> will instruct
> > +          <application>Portmaster</application> not to automatically
> delete
> > +         the backup.  Also, adding the <option>-i</option> option will
> start
> > +          <application>Portmaster</application> in interactive mode,
> prompting
> > +          you before upgrading each port.</para></note>
> > +
> > +        <para>If you encounter errors during the upgrade process, you
> can use
> > +          the <option>-f</option> option to upgrade/rebuild all
> ports:</para>
> > +
> > +    <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>portmaster
> -af</userinput></screen>
> > +
> > +        <para>You can also use <application>Portmaster</application> to
> > +          install new ports on the system, upgrading all dependencies
> > +          before building and installing the new port:</para>
> > +
> > +    <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>portmaster -p
> <replaceable>/usr/ports/shells/bash</replaceable></userinput></screen>
> > +
> > +    <para>Please see &man.portmaster.8; from more information.</para>
> > +      </sect3>
> >      </sect2>
> >
> >      <sect2 id="ports-disk-space">
>
> Thank you _very much_ for writing this, it's been on my "list" for a
> long time, and I wasn't going to get to it any time soon. :) I would
> only suggest two very tiny edits. One is to remove the word "yet" in
> the first sentence. The other is to shorten the command line at the
> end, since the -p option is more or less irrelevant with the new
> command line parser from version 2.x. I would say:
>
> <userinput>portmaster <replaceable>shells/bash</replaceable></userinput>
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Doug
>
> --
>
>     This .signature sanitized for your protection
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:48:41 GMT
> From: bz@FreeBSD.org
> Subject: Re: amd64/121863: IPSEC handbook update for FreeBSD 7 and
>        later
> To: energizer@sgpi.ru, bz@FreeBSD.org, bz@FreeBSD.org,
>        freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org
> Message-ID: <200803191948.m2JJmfjr035184@freefall.freebsd.org>
>
> Old Synopsis: amd-64 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD IPSEC FAST_IPSEC()
> New Synopsis: IPSEC handbook update for FreeBSD 7 and later
>
> State-Changed-From-To: closed->open
> State-Changed-By: bz
> State-Changed-When: Wed Mar 19 19:47:12 UTC 2008
> State-Changed-Why:
> Re-open with changed Synopsis to refelect the real problem.
> Reassign to doc as suggested.
>
>
> Responsible-Changed-From-To: bz->freebsd-doc
> Responsible-Changed-By: bz
> Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Mar 19 19:47:12 UTC 2008
> Responsible-Changed-Why:
> Re-open with changed Synopsis to refelect the real problem.
> Reassign to doc as suggested.
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=121863
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:02:20 GMT
> From: linimon@FreeBSD.org
> Subject: Re: docs/121871: ftpd does interpret configuration files as
>        documented
> To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org,
>        freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org
> Message-ID: <200803200802.m2K82Kid009003@freefall.freebsd.org>
>
> Synopsis: ftpd does interpret configuration files as documented
>
> Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-doc
> Responsible-Changed-By: linimon
> Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Mar 20 08:01:15 UTC 2008
> Responsible-Changed-Why:
> This sounds like a documentation problem.
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=121871
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:40:03 GMT
> From: Vadim Goncharov <vadim_nuclight@mail.ru>
> Subject: Re: conf/121871: ftpd does interpret configuration files as
>        documented
> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org
> Message-ID: <200803200940.m2K9e3hN017211@freefall.freebsd.org>
>
> The following reply was made to PR docs/121871; it has been noted by
> GNATS.
>
> From: Vadim Goncharov <vadim_nuclight@mail.ru>
> To: Josh Webb <joshwebb@gmail.com>
> Cc: bug-followup@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: conf/121871: ftpd does interpret configuration files as
> documented
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:39:07 +0600
>
> Hi Josh Webb!
>
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:47:19 GMT; Josh Webb <joshwebb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 3) A single line in ftpd.conf:
> > chroot all %d
> > The documentation seems to indicate that this should match all users and
> chroot them to their home directories.
> > I have not been able to get any results from the chroot command in
> ftpd.conf
>
> May be you're trying to use ftpd.conf with ftpd(8), but actually there are
> TWO
> ftp daemons in base system, and ftpd.conf(5) man page is for lukemftpd(8).
> The latter is obtained from NetBSD and more featureful, but does not
> support
> sendfile(2).
>
> This can be not only documentation problem, but a buildworld config too,
> as
> about two daemons installed at the SAME time.
>
> --
> WBR, Vadim Goncharov. ICQ#166852181       mailto:vadim_nuclight@mail.ru
> [Moderator of RU.ANTI-ECOLOGY][FreeBSD][http://antigreen.org][LJ:/nuclight
> ]
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:16:35 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Vadim Goncharov <vadim_nuclight@mail.ru>
> Subject: Re: Need an environment for dynamic web content for
>        freebsd.org
> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org
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>
> Hi Marc Silver!
>
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:59:02 +0200; Marc Silver wrote about 'Re: Need an
> environment for dynamic web content for freebsd.org':
>
> > While I agree that PHP isn't perfect, it is still possible to write
> secure,
> > fast and scalable code with it.
>
> Yes, but it will cost you a lot more and even then you will not be secure
> due
> to all those constantly discovered in each new version flaws in the PHP
> interpreter itself.
>
> > It's just as easy for a bad programmer to
> > write bad perl code as it is for them to write bad PHP code.
>
> Yes, but there more bad PHP programmers than Perl programmers :)
>
> > The one thing I don't like about Perl is that there is too much of a
> > reliance on third party modules for just about everything.
>
> This is normal way for every programming language. Do you complain C or
> Java
> that you have so many third-party libraries instead of all being inside
> libc,
> eh?
>
> > At least PHP has
> > (most) of what you need built in.  Bottom line is that there are pros
> and
> > cons to just about every language out there.
>
> Yes, but there are statistics.
>
> > That said, I'm quite fond of python/pylons/django so I don't mind what
> > happens, but it's not really fair to write off PHP just because so many
> > developers who use it are rubbish.
>
> This is not the only reason, of course - I've given a link to PHP
> disadvantages
> summary in message to Murray.
>
> --
> WBR, Vadim Goncharov. ICQ#166852181       mailto:vadim_nuclight@mail.ru
> [Moderator of RU.ANTI-ECOLOGY][FreeBSD][http://antigreen.org][LJ:/nuclight
> ]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:36:01 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Vadim Goncharov <vadim_nuclight@mail.ru>
> Subject: Re: Need an environment for dynamic web content for
>        freebsd.org
> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <slrnfu4fgh.1b5e.vadim_nuclight@hostel.avtf.net>
>
> Hi Jeremy Chadwick!
>
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:16:59 -0700; Jeremy Chadwick wrote about 'Re: Need
> an environment for dynamic web content for freebsd.org':
>
> >>>>  It should at least cgi or, as aforemetioned, a wiki-like page. There
> can be
> >>>>  already some wiki engines which allow voting.
> >>> I've not seen any useful voting mechanism implemented on a wiki.
> >>> Pointers?  CGI is exactly the kind of 15 year old stagnant web
> >>> technology we are trying to get away from. We need quick templating,
> >>> sessions, high level UI libraries, etc..
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >>> All of which things like PHP, Python/Django, etc.. provide.
> >>
> >> They all provide, except PHP :) Every serious PHP project is
> reinventing
> >> template system, database abastraction layers
> > Because PHP's DBI implementation sucks horribly.  One of the worst
> > things about it is that it doesn't support placeholders/binds in query
> > strings.  Another horrible aspect is that there's a separate API
> > function name per DBI, rather than using a standard calling convention
> > and let you pick a database driver to use (like perl and most other
> > languages).
>
> And absent templates and slow speed. Because Zend wants to *sell* PHP
> optimizer.
>
> > The only reason people use PHP -- and that includes me (yes, I speak
> > fluent PHP) -- is because it's *convenient*.
>
> Easier for totally dumb housewife, you mean? That's true, and that's why
> it is popular amongst novice users. But for projects more serious than
> a homepage it can quickly become a pain in the ass.
>
> > It interfaces with
> > webservers in a much "nicer" way, and has a significant number of API
> > functions that are more web-friendly than, say, perl.
>
> Then you should try several Perl modules to do, for templates and other.
> Even
> plain CGI is a good start point :)
>
> > And don't even get me started on how to debug PHP.  I hope you enjoy
> > using print/echo repetitively throughout code.
>
> Do you mean putting errors on the web page and revealing paths, SQL
> schemas,
> etc. to possible attacker? Oh, no, thanks.
>
> > I have no interest in Python, because any language which treats
> > whitespace and tabs differently can rot (even assemblers don't behave
> > this way!).  And I will strangle whoever recommends Ruby or Ruby on
> > Rails.
>
> That's debatable, but not the scope of PHP badness :)
>
> >>>       - Murray (who doesn't know/use PHP, but knows that the freebsd
> >>> web presence is notably missing something like it)
> >>
> >> Anything but PHP. Don't choose that buggy, slow, immanently insecure
> >> technology. Please.
> >>
> >> P.S. You can see http://tnx.nl/php for a short summary of PHP
> drawbacks. Even
> >> Perl is much better.
> > I would agree with this.  One can accomplish great things with
> > p5-libwww.
> > The existing CMSs out there (for both PHP and perl) are either horribly
> > written, or bloated beyond belief.  The same goes for most Wiki
> > software, again regardless of PHP or perl.
>
> Every serious project can't rely on public CMS - this not looks solid.
> LiveJournal.com, SlashDot.com, etc. million-users sites - all have their
> own software written in Perl.
>
> > Then again, all said comments are coming from a person who's very much a
> > minimalist.  :-)
>
> I am a minimalist. too :)
>
> --
> WBR, Vadim Goncharov. ICQ#166852181       mailto:vadim_nuclight@mail.ru
> [Moderator of RU.ANTI-ECOLOGY][FreeBSD][http://antigreen.org][LJ:/nuclight
> ]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:43:00 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Vadim Goncharov <vadim_nuclight@mail.ru>
> Subject: Re: Need an environment for dynamic web content for
>        freebsd.org
> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <slrnfu4ftj.1b5e.vadim_nuclight@hostel.avtf.net>
>
> Hi Murray Stokely!
>
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:19:27 -0700; Murray Stokely wrote about 'Re: Need
> an environment for dynamic web content for freebsd.org':
>
> > Apparently there is a MoinMoin plugin for voting that we're going to
> > look at.  This doesn't really seem to be exactly what we're looking
> > for because we are not looking to hold elections -- we want to accept
> > new items, allow users to vote and comment on existing items, and
> > present a sorted list of the most highly ranked items, so I'd still be
> > happy if anyone can present other solutions we should investigate.
>
> Then it should be patched to be, isn't it? I am not sure there exist exact
> solution of what you want.
>
> BTW, in terms of language comparison and advocacy it is better to build
> this
> on Java's JSP, thus showing that FreeBSD perfectly supports "serious
> corporate
> solutions" :)
>
> And PHP has too may vulnerbilities _in_ _the_ _interpreter_ _itself_ - no
> matter how good PHP programmer avoids bugs in web application if server
> itself
> is vulnerables. Patches and setup could avoid damaging root and other
> users,
> but who cares if it is enough to deface a site and make such a bad PR for
> FreeBSD Project?..
>
> --
> WBR, Vadim Goncharov. ICQ#166852181       mailto:vadim_nuclight@mail.ru
> [Moderator of RU.ANTI-ECOLOGY][FreeBSD][http://antigreen.org][LJ:/nuclight
> ]
>
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