Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:57:56 -0600 From: Reed Loefgren <rloefgren@forethought.net> To: Freminlins <freminlins@gmail.com> Cc: Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com>, FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Effing HAL Message-ID: <4AEA2C04.8030703@forethought.net> In-Reply-To: <eeef1a4c0910291615x288a8a2nacdd335fb0dca410@mail.gmail.com> References: <eeef1a4c0910291455y6cee991md9f8c7f2824e54ca@mail.gmail.com> <BA9912258E343B9627BA075A@utd65257.utdallas.edu> <eeef1a4c0910291615x288a8a2nacdd335fb0dca410@mail.gmail.com>
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Freminlins wrote: > 2009/10/29 Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com> > > >> Far be it from me to pile on when you're already so frustrated, but I run >> into these sorts of problems myself from time to time. It's usually because >> I didn't bother to read /usr/ports/UPDATING first, which in this case might >> have warned you. >> >> > > > Yeah, thanks for that. I knew about that file, but don't often read it. > There's even more to the saga - Xkblayout doesn't work. This whole HAL thing > stinks horribly. IF X is built with HAL basically certain options specified > in xorg.conf no longer work. HAL thinks it knows best. But it doesn't, cos > it's broken. > > What really gets my goat about this is that things that used to work, and > people understand how they worked and how they were configured, no longer > work. And I'm 18MB of RAM worse off into the bargain. > > There's a thread about other people's experience here: > http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?p=10924#post10924. One of the posts > contains these words "I've been fighting this one for two days now, and > still don't have a fully working system." That's seriously nasty for anyone. > > The whole Xorg thing, at least on FreeBSD, is just a minefield. I like to > remove unnecessary packages, to save space for when I do backups. I don't > have an Nvidia card on this box so: > > pkg_delete xf86-video-nv-2.1.13 > pkg_delete: package 'xf86-video-nv-2.1.13' is required by these other > packages > and may not be deinstalled: > xorg-drivers-7.4_1 > xorg-7.4_1 > > Great. So what is the point in having a separate package if I can't remove > that damn thing? I know I can pkg_delete -f, but why make it hard? > > > >> Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst >> > > > MF > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Yes, HAL does stink. As I understand it it drifted over from the Linux world. People smarter than I saw a need for it. (I'm not second guessing them here, after the typical hair pulling I read UPDATING and some of the angry but concise posts about HAL and everything has worked great since.) Imagine my surprise then to read in a recent Ubuntu write-up that, with the release of Karmic Koala, their (Ubuntu's) use of HAL is on its way to deprecation. How long has it been around? A year? Two? And now it's headed for Linux's ever-expanding dustbin of ideas that were once sold as the greatest thing since sliced bread. This is why I use FreeBSD; as a counter-irritant to Linux's willy-nilly approach to development.
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