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From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb>
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Subject: Re: FTC regulating use of registrations
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In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.970723160341.17671A-100000@ppp6564.on.sympatico.ca> from "Tim Vanderhoek" at Jul 23, 97 04:23:43 pm
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Tim Vanderhoek wrote:
> 
> #1) They are FULLY respected as people, regardless of their
> social/family position relative to the parent.

	you gotta listen to your kids if you expect them to listen
	to you ;)  nuture them, like little seedlings that grow into
	strong trees.  (forgive me is was once a orchardman)
> 
> This is necessary to develop a good relationship with the children. 
> I believe that jmb's argument that the purpose of children is to
> give "credit to their family" works counter to this.  Because I
> discredited jmb's ``goal in raising children'', I had to offer my
> own substitute.  It is #2.  For the many who cannot abide by this, I
> even mentioned yet another possibility.

	"credit to their family" means, to me at least, that
	other people are favorably impressed by their honesty
	and integrity and humaneness.  someone that other might
	use as a role model.
> 
> #2) The most important decision they make is to give themselves to
> God.
> 
> These two do not conflict.  The idea with #1 is that we do not
> discard the children (their opinions, ideas, etc) as somehow being
> of less value than ours. 
> 
> I could also go on to explain that despite #2, a certain equality
> exists between God and man, but that goes clearly into the area of
> religion, and besides, opinion on that changes every ~50 years or
> so, anyways, so I'll leave it.

	best to leave it.  some religions have beliefs/practices that
	are incompatible with other religions.....we dont need that
	blood shed here.
jmb