From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 9 21:48:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D0433F for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2013 21:48:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-x229.google.com (mail-qa0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73B6328DC for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2013 21:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id ii20so5418320qab.0 for ; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 14:48:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=bHMUl3wnbYDg3yI+IF5IuHeBYjYYB4DO6aWIFweSOg8=; b=FXcsVw2eskPJS4mbJ6veP2MquIlJluGaUVtL4ReDh31yxdBMeH6nwQqUoTbxCd3cWm r9LhrbTOt7upLG0EWU858QKAEU52K8oTAu3OMbrqPkFoedxwLpaey8hQBwlOjb/RHjIH UPnF19RjWomFN0NqAlIscNrz+4l2ATkmLocl5QV5n99ZI+DAz2Z77QTLipXD7v0YcE7p rUtdo1hbk0Z3N5x1Q/med8OZKiu4DTGeZ41kBtT8hfz8DwIwN5WqodZ83EA60uM01DAu xxtZzvneEVwlywAfwMe24g9zDs2hyJKNXiBbteb2DLgVzCZ5Ecs6IEdikKcofYLRfYU3 BD8w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.118.10 with SMTP id t10mr13133397qcq.5.1381355286543; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 14:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.207.66 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Oct 2013 14:48:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5255A041.2080501@cran.org.uk> References: <77307DF8-637D-4295-BF47-8742F1552CE8@orthanc.ca> <20131008031517.GA31864@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <60177810-8DC4-4EA3-8040-A834B79039D2@orthanc.ca> <52538EDC.2080001@freebsd.org> <52541202.3010707@mu.org> <1893399957.20131009013424@serebryakov.spb.ru> <52556567.3090309@mu.org> <5255A041.2080501@cran.org.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 14:48:06 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Hp9uFwxdoWBFWzmx-LxFP1j1z8g Message-ID: Subject: Re: rcs From: Adrian Chadd To: Bruce Cran Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-current X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 21:48:07 -0000 On 9 October 2013 11:28, Bruce Cran wrote: > On 10/9/2013 3:17 PM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > >> Only a few years ago you could take a dvd or memstick of FreeBSD and have >> 1000s of packages to choose from during your install. That is broken now? >> > > At some point it was decided that the installer should be as simple as > possible and package installation was a post-install task, for once the > system was up and running. I think that might be changing with bsdinstall > getting pkgng support, but it did seem like a fairly major regression at > the time. I think it was more a "this is a stepping stone to a bigger change.." .. and that didn't happen soon after. The other thing here is the introduction of the uhm, "livefs". It's big and it took up the space once occupied by the first set of packages. Honestly, I'm kinda surprised how big base is these days, but I have other fights to fight right now. -adrian