From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 2 14:24:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5032116A41F; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:24:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from trans-warp.net (hyperion.trans-warp.net [216.37.208.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B724A43D6E; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:24:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [65.193.73.208]) by trans-warp.net (SurgeMail 2.2g3) with ESMTP id 28844880 for multiple; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:24:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20051102012740.56CCB43D48@mx1.FreeBSD.org> References: <20051102012740.56CCB43D48@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0510abc0718e18609453dd3616ca709d@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:24:42 -0500 To: "Steve Bertrand" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Authenticated-User: bsilver@chrononomicon.com Cc: 'Greg 'groggy' Lehey' , 'FreeBSD Questions' Subject: Re: New Logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:24:40 -0000 On Nov 1, 2005, at 8:27 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: > -- snip -- > >> That's correct, but we should recall that this is a mailing >> list to ask technical questions, not discuss logos or flame >> people. Discuss logos on the advocacy@ list; don't flame >> people on any list. > > I don't post here often, lest I ask a question, but I appreciate these > sorts of comments by people we 'observe' make reliable, wholesome and > always to-the-point-from-experience posts day in and day out. > > Keep the FBSD lists clean of flames. I haven't followed this entire > thread, but opinions about the new logo should go to advocacy. Many people aren't going to subscribe to advocacy just to let a quick opinion be noted. Maybe they're primarily tech people who do have tech questions, and feel that this forum is frequented by people "in the know" instead of the usual advocacy butterblitters that degrade to ad-hominem attacks and whatnot. Whatever the reason these opinion threads can, do, and will flare up. If you don't like them, delete the threads as the appear, because they will go away fairly quickly once people vent. They continue if you or other people reply to the threads to perpetuate them. Personally in the process I often learn something more, whether about the project or the project community or human nature in general. The occasional bitching session or idiot flare-up is something that just has to be dealt with, whether through the occasional interaction or by ignoring it so it goes away faster. > However...there should be somewhere else where people can state their > political views to too. -questions is not that list. Let's make sublists for everything! Where's logo-is-okay-but-only-if-not-idealogically-motivated-freebsd-list? You know, sometimes lists create communities in themselves. Sometimes people will vent or ask questions or opinions merely because they respect the people (or are looking for responses from the people) who frequent a particular list, so a little leeway should be given. Like I said...don't reply, and the thread dies off fairly quick. I find top posting to rattle my cage a lot faster than some random topic on the list that may or may not be exactly the most appropriate.