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Date:      Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:54:29 -0800
From:      Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
To:        "Andrey A. Chernov" <ache@nagual.pp.ru>
Cc:        arch@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jacques A. Vidrine" <n@nectar.com>, Matt Dillon <dillon@earth.backplane.com>, Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>, Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>, Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG>, Nick Sayer <nsayer@FreeBSD.ORG>, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: rand.c patch for review (was: Re: cvs commit: ports/astro/xglobe/files patch-random)
Message-ID:  <20010225135429.A47615@mollari.cthul.hu>
In-Reply-To: <20010226005004.B59772@nagual.pp.ru>; from ache@nagual.pp.ru on Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 12:50:04AM %2B0300
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On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 12:50:04AM +0300, Andrey A. Chernov wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 13:21:52 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > Nevermind, I read the followup about needing to have independent
> > state.  I think you should duplicate the rest of the random() and
> > srandom() stuff, not just good_rand() -- random.c does more work to
> > seed things, for example, which I'd feel better about.  Also, document
> > in rand.c and random.c that they should be kept in sync modulo the
> > missing srandomdev() code.
>=20
> Maybe, but only in case we need to care about rand() distribution _so_
> match, I am not sure. Every manual nowdays marks rand() as deprecated.

Yet it's still used bogusly for cryptographic needs - e.g. even
XFree86 4.x seems to use rand() for generating cookies, I discovered
last night (as a result of my rand() warning :-).  If we fix up rand()
to have a decent cryptographic behaviour, we save all the idiot
programmers from themselves.

Kris

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