From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 22 12:15:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8D016A41B for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:15:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from wjv.com (fl-65-40-24-38.sta.embarqhsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B79213C50E for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:15:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by wjv.com (8.14.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8MCFOS6053067 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:15:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.14.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l8MCFJRo053066 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:15:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bv) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:15:19 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070922121518.GA52968@wjv.com> References: <20070922120018.2056616A4D5@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070922120018.2056616A4D5@hub.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com Subject: Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:15:34 -0000 -segmentation fault- press any key to reboot Damn damn damn freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org said, after restarting his PC and mailer on Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 12:00 . > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:48:22 +0100 > From: Gabriel Dragffy > Subject: Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD? > On 22 Sep 2007, at 12:34, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:55:51AM +0100, Gabriel Dragffy > > wrote: > >> Just been wondering about this. If you do a standard install > >> of FreeBSD it includes things such as a basic FTP daemon, all > >> the various utilities such as df, ls, etc. SSHD etc. I assum > >> these are all in FreeBSDs core, as developed in the same CVS > >> repo. Having read the mails on this list for several weeks > >> it seems obvious that most people regard Postfix or EXIM to > >> be the best MTAs, so I'm wondering why is sendmail the MTA > >> that is integral to FreeBSD? Wouldn't it be ace to have the > >> default one be Postfix or something? Sendmail still is one of the strongest mailers out there. And a great many ISPs still use it. > > At the time sendmail was integrased into FreeBSD other MTA's were > > pretty much out of the question. Ever since then, the integration > > has been very well-maintained (thanks to gshapiro) and changing > > the default MTA to something else is simply not worth the pain > > that comes with it. > > Personally I use Postfix wherever I need an MTA, it only takes a > > few minutes to install it from ports. The benefit of ports is you > > can configure all the options you need. We can't keep mysql > > client and dovecot sasl in the base system, most people would > > have to reinstall Postfix from ports even if it was the default > > MTA in our base. > I see, thank you for the heads-up. It is interesting. Personally I > try to use the software that comes with the OS where possible. > Especially in the case of FreeBSD, as I find the core software is > rock solid and I love that. I think I'll learn how to configure > sendmail and try sticking with it. At least it is documented somewhat > in the handbook. > Many thanks to all Back when sendmail was a real pain to get running - in the mid-to-late 1980s when I first came across it, I moved to 'smail' as it was easier to run/undrestand. But by the early '90s I moved over to sendmail and have run it for two ISPs. As to handbook, if you want to know more than you ever wanted to know about Sendmail - O'Reilly has a book on it - well over 1200 pages long. Current shipping sendmail in FreeBSD is almost plug-and-play. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com