Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:50:56 -0800 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "Jason Halbert" <jason@jason-n3xt.org>, "Kenneth Wayne Culver" <culverk@wam.umd.edu> Cc: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>, "Forrest Aldrich" <forrie@forrie.com> Subject: RE: ADSL with Verizon Message-ID: <000401c16750$2b487ce0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <0fe401c166dd$4bd4d710$2af9620c@jason>
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>-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jason Halbert >Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 8:09 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt; Kenneth Wayne Culver >Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Forrest Aldrich >Subject: Re: ADSL with Verizon > > >Actually... their are 3 separate companies. > >You have the actual phone company Verizon. They own the ILEC. The company >that provides the DSL service and T lines and above line is Verizon >Advanced Data Services. They are separate companies due to FCC >regulations. This is a bit of a misdirect. Verizon split the ILEC and ADS to get around some FCC regulations so they could screw the consumer in some other fashion (getting into some other market or some such that they had no need to be in) The FCC didn't force them to do it. The end result of course is simply the creation of entities that can blame each other for problems instead of accepting responsibility and fixing them, as well as the ability to create a labyrinthentine voice menu system that dumps you into the janitors closet phone after you've selected 15 menu options in a row. (or dumps you into a giant hive of voicemailboxes that nobody ever listens to but you can spend all day leaving messages in) Oh and I almost forgot also lets the installers label your new T1's with circuit ID's that have no relevance to anything and nobody at Verizon knows anything about when you call in because they went down. It's kind of a tricky way of telling the consumer "screw you we are a monopoly and you will get your circuit whenever the hell we feel like giving it to you so go away and suck rocks" > Then you have VerizonOnline the ISP. Which when the FCC talks to them they sing the "We are a separate company you can't regulate us" song, but when the customer talks to them they sing the "We are all one big company so don't try getting an outside ISP for your DSL or we will screw you" song. Laugh, but there's a reason that Verizon used Darth Vader's voice for their commercials!!! Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > >---- >Jason > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> >To: "Kenneth Wayne Culver" <culverk@wam.umd.edu> >Cc: "Jason Halbert" <jason@jason-n3xt.org>; ><freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>; "Forrest Aldrich" <forrie@forrie.com> >Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 03:40 >Subject: RE: ADSL with Verizon > > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Kenneth Wayne Culver [mailto:culverk@wam.umd.edu] >> >Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 6:06 AM >> >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >> >Cc: Jason Halbert; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Forrest Aldrich >> >Subject: RE: ADSL with Verizon >> > >> > >> >> yes - but that difference is only of consequence to the end user (you) >> >> and the ISP. (the thing on the other end of the DSL line that your >> >> connected to) It's just ATM packets to the Telco. Don't confuse the >> >> ISP (the thing on the other end of the DSL circuit to you) with the >> >> circuit provider. (the Telco) >> > >> >If he's with verizon on the east coast of the US, then the ISP and the >> >circuit provider are the same company. (BTW, if you look at dslreports, >> >most of the reviews of verizon say it's not that great) >> > >> >> I'm not so sure about that - Verizon has recently begun fracturing itself >> internally into multiple companies, all operating under the Verizon name. >> I am getting extremely pissed off at them now - you cannot even call in >> to Verizon's test and turn up department test on a god damn T1 without >> being told "we can't tell you anything about that because the ILEC hasn't >> released it back to us" when the ILEC is Verizon!!! >> >> I am positive though that verizon.net (the Verizon ISP) and Verizon.com >> (the people that own the phone lines and provide the DSL signalling on >> it) are indeed different companies that are what you call "completely >seperate >> and independent companies that just happen to share the same name" that >> statement was right out of a Verizon reps mouth. It's enough to drive >> you insane. >> >> >> Ted Mittelstaedt >tedm@toybox.placo.com >> Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's >Guide >> Book website: >http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >> >> >> >> >Ken >> > >> > >> >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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