From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Feb 8 22:53:38 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8F4AA295A for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 22:53:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from www.lemis.com (www.lemis.com [208.86.226.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBE41569 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 22:53:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from eureka.lemis.com (www.lemis.com [208.86.226.86]) by www.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3DDA1B72802; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 22:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eureka.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD43144A5F0; Tue, 9 Feb 2016 09:53:35 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 09:53:35 +1100 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: John Marino Cc: Mark Linimon , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Moving to synth (was: Removing documentation) Message-ID: <20160208225335.GI71035@eureka.lemis.com> References: <56B752FD.6000906@marino.st> <20160208134044.GA7839@lonesome.com> <56B89C6F.2010800@marino.st> <20160208220731.GH71035@eureka.lemis.com> <56B91391.8050605@marino.st> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="g3RkK9jYN81zD2N+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <56B91391.8050605@marino.st> Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-3-5346-1370, +61-3-5309-0418 Mobile: 0401 265 606. Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 22:53:38 -0000 --g3RkK9jYN81zD2N+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Monday, 8 February 2016 at 23:15:45 +0100, John Marino wrote: > On 2/8/2016 11:07 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> I think you're missing the point. If this were the criterion for >> becoming maintainer, there's a good chance that nobody would >> volunteer. Your suggestion would work in a corporate environment, but >> that's not us. > > I have said repeatedly that this criteria is unique to portmaster > due to it's presence in the handbook and to its [apparent] > importance in the ports ecosystem. This wasn't very obvious. > I am NOT saying this is the criteria for every port. However, I would > rather nobody volunteer if they aren't qualified so that decisions > aren't kicked down the road like a can. I'm not looking to check a box > resulting in no improvement, I want somebody qualified or not at all. And that's what you're getting: not at all. So how would things improve in this respect if we change to synth? There we need a maintainer who understands Ada. OK, at the moment that's you. But what happens when you relinquish maintainership for whatever reason? My feeling on the matter is that there's space for more than one tool, as Mathias suggested. But I think it would help synth to have user-oriented documentation similar to that for portmaster or portupgrade ("to achieve this, do this..."). I could see this as a good addition to the handbook (4.5.3.3). A(n objective) discussion of the pros and cons of the three alternatives would also be useful. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog@FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua --g3RkK9jYN81zD2N+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAla5HG8ACgkQIubykFB6QiO+UQCgjoQ6rCgH4MC4veKzvRwLy3S9 vmkAn2ogqTuvbKzuZa0Vv3Q4mqrzGqSf =p9np -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --g3RkK9jYN81zD2N+--