From owner-cvs-etc Fri Jun 6 13:44:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10975 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veda.is (veda.is [193.4.230.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10911; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adam@localhost) by veda.is (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA00265; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:45:08 GMT From: Adam David Message-Id: <199706062045.UAA00265@veda.is> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc/mtree BSD.include.dist In-Reply-To: <199706060230.MAA29428@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from Michael Smith at "Jun 6, 97 12:00:56 pm" To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:45:07 +0000 (GMT) Cc: dg@root.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, ache@nagual.pp.ru, asami@cs.berkeley.edu, bde@zeta.org.au, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Adam David stands accused of saying: > > > Well, I disagree with you, Jordan. I think we should make the kernel > > > sources a mandatory part of the system and /usr/include/sys should be a > > > symlink. Please check your attribution better, it belongs further down. I guess you can blame blind/dumb software. > Count this as a resounding NO vote to the above. > > > > David Greenman > > > > Let me second this, and add the rationale that most people don't want to > > be running a kernel.GENERIC bloated with all kinds of drivers for devices > > they probably don't have (and not all drivers that they do need). > > This is contradicted by my experience and that of numerous other > posters over the years. Most users don't give a damn whether there > are extra drivers in their kernel; OTOH they generally get pretty pissed > if a driver they need _isn't_. According to this, most users are wasting precious memory. > > However, building a custom kernel will likely always be a typical operation > > during post-installation machine configuration. > > Don't make me laugh. It _might_ be, if the user/admin is particularly > paranoid, but believe me when I say that GENERIC is a lot more popular > than you seem to think. It is not a contest, and I think most would agree that both camps are significant. -- Adam David