From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 2 18:59:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2E316A51B for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:59:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=1v9hpxRH=7V=asarian-host.net=admin@asarian-host.net) Received: from mail.asarian-host.net (mail.asarian-host.net [194.109.160.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADB543D49 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:59:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from SRS0=1v9hpxRH=7V=asarian-host.net=admin@asarian-host.net) Received: from anonymizer.asarian-host.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.asarian-host.net (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k52Ix5jp067436 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:59:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from admin@asarian-host.net) From: Mark Received-SPF: pass (asarian-host.net: 127.0.0.1 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) receiver=anonymizer.asarian-host.net; client-ip=127.0.0.1; envelope-from=; helo=clientrunner.asarian-host.net; Message-Id: <200606021859.k52Ix4gr067426@asarian-host.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:59:04 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: admin@asarian-host.net X-Trace: VoLcOObqBiHvpgClTYxuIDifbyj0vBPX/HmktgFgFVG+hUkQfrw5zev8wFUJ6WXp0T5gRhM9CHMPLrTlYAgTAw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@asarian-host.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, otherwise we are unable to process your complaint Organization: Asarian-host To: "'FreeBSD-Questions Questions'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20060602162712.51103.qmail@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Auth: Asarian-host PGP signature iQEVAwUARICKeTFqW1BleBN9AQENwQgAmKSwtd4nfdHCJw2Vcsrik1ngdgP+6+PE OMiF5lehFYAUWF8MbUVn1lzEe6nH5A+E2T8aQ7McKom0ewR5IeF783mmxFXd928R DxsOegPKqLGlJhl0tIAuuYMcnOK+nlkgOOqnoAnSOMvUCMzfOP/0YoXkD4z42HSb Bzbbh9q2MbV2KJnDfW81loYiqlD6KVGKMl+5zXUgdIJ08SZz/ZGHRqO8PWHoMbkE 0QidTaSHNTL9Dvom6xrLYdgABU1txRhDuISdyQnCUBX7i/8PAKRvL29xKwJeDnI0 z5K1dh49eufMSAT5vlGmlEJI1dxEPNX8MI8NsloDi/3XPFBCoD4Dag== =2W1z Subject: RE: Does FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE support the 8237R? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:59:14 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Danial Thom > Sent: vrijdag 2 juni 2006 18:28 > To: Scott Hiemstra; 'FreeBSD-Questions Questions' > Subject: RE: Does FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE support the 8237R? > > --- Scott Hiemstra wrote: > > > > Did you say you are running a server? That MB is only suitable for > > > desktop use, as it has the slowest ethernet controller known to man > > > on a 32/33Mhz bus. Running this MB as a server is like putting > > > cheap, skinny tires on your porsche. > > > > > > DT > > > > Personaly, I appreciate your dedication to maximum performance but > > please notice this thread is in reference to swapping a MB for another > > MB and coments like yours are not appreciated. > > > > Would you prefer if I had stated? > > > > "I have the same board in a crappy server running 4.11 (FreeBSD > > 4.11-STABLE #0) and no problems to report." > > > > Please notice I never said what the box was doing nor did I ask for > > your opinion of what MB/NIC I use in my systems. This SERVER is pur- > > pose built and runs stable 24/7 as a low volume outbound mail server > > so the performance of the NIC is not my primary concern. Please keep > > your useless comments to yourself as they do nothing but waste disk > > space, CPU time and the valuable time of people who attempt to help > > others on this list. > > > > Scott > > So if someone is planning on using a crappy motherboard as a server its > not appropriate to mention that the replacement is not suitable for the > task? So since you're replacing the MB, why not take the opportunity to > use something suitable. Because it means introducing a whole slew of new, unknown variables. :) When I first installed 4.10R, it did not even support the 8237; and disk performance on that board was limited to a terribly slow Multi-World DMA 2 mode (I think it was that; very slow, at least). So, imagine my delight when 4.11-STABLE supported the 8237 at last. Buying a newer type motherboard for 4.11-STABLE (where would you find one for socket 754, so soon replaced by socket 939, anyway?) would likely mean an unsupported south-bridge chip, and being back to square one. Nope. I'm gonna stick with what works for 4.11-STABLE (as that is still my preferred FreeBSD version; and if I cannot find a new motherboard after the new one dies, I will just continue to run the whole thing in a Vmware box). As for the LAN, since I only have a 100 Mb network, I see no reason to assume even a less than ideal performing gigabit LAN would slow things down (unless its performance dropped below 10%; and I'm sure it's not that bad). In fact, not to be unnecessarily contrary, but I would ere say this motherboard is totally unsuited for desktop use (I have a shiny P5WD2 Premium for that), and that this board is rather ideally suited for a FreeBSD 4.11 system. - Mark