From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 10 00:39:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 796BB8B7 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 00:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-x234.google.com (mail-qc0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EE2D1039 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 00:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id w7so3322052qcr.25 for ; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 16:39:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :disposition-notification-to:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version; bh=8/erCXx9mhgUCCjKtUVOnZbMCSW3JaODi8oXg/azV4g=; b=SRudYKlBLu+TRTKk0VP7hYeeWhE+3cHHC+pr+DYICyiRllxW2qSg0jdUV2zLF1VM2f aMqPe52URhISKRiprm7EsAWaGoCIP9fvAJJLU+vmtOTT8iaz1EIEiHnHuTQah96k8MqL WSp/WSLDV65iKKNgtTikXGwyajfAavo7AzSnUsxCGNt/fVoGjMc9pWnKRlNFGgSOaV3f TvT6u3wx1St9TWBb0R281CM0OrZC2EYRPuJAUzlru8ucUEGWs0wAlLB8FW5hY3TvOo+S OTodA+kuOq9AJG9zScSCcOWfh4a7wmsaISrMRfe/L6QoOKx0Q0Fy9kM2VM6ZEViNVp6r jgpg== X-Received: by 10.229.126.9 with SMTP id a9mr38078030qcs.0.1386635957313; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 16:39:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.99.21] ([179.184.51.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b4sm39484034qai.7.2013.12.09.16.39.15 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Dec 2013 16:39:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Gnome3??? no way!!! From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: Markus Hoenicka In-Reply-To: <57cd35243ed489e9f5870195edfe97e7@mhoenicka.de> References: <1386221592.4385.16.camel@debian> <1386253808.8359.5.camel@debian> <57cd35243ed489e9f5870195edfe97e7@mhoenicka.de> Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 22:39:13 -0200 Message-ID: <1386635953.13998.35.camel@lenovo.toontown> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 00:39:18 -0000 Em Qui, 2013-12-05 às 16:10 +0100, Markus Hoenicka escreveu: > And it may not be worth the effort unless there is sufficient > pressure > from FreeBSD users who request Gnome 3. I've tested Gnome 3 briefly on > a > Linux box, and since then I understand very well why there is no such > pressure. I was back to Xfce in no time. > > regards, > Markus > > I tried gnome3 in arch linux, I have a lot of users running gnome (200+) and none of them the could operate the system using gnome3, was a total chaos... As arch linux abandon the gnome2, I had to make a port of the "old" gnome2 to the users that use notebooks (as freebsd in notebooks have a lot or problems, still, for example sleep, and the radeon/sandybridge graphics does have support now in release 10).. I sell hard disks for notebooks with arch linux, kernel 3.12, and gnome2 fully installed (about 1040 packages) with firefox 25, libreoffice 4.1.6... and using the "old " gdm 2.18.. that have the gdmsetup... all pointed by a "pacman distribution" of my own, that is updated once a month.. installs in 5 minutes.... is for users that wants to USE a computer, and thanks to Microsoft and his "wonderfull" windows 8 I am doing very well.... I took the example from the MAC OSX that have the same "feel" for more than 10 years... People move from windows 7 to gnome2 easyer than to windows8 Windows 8 that comes with the notebook, after ONE month, all the licences expires, leaving the computer useless... My target is cheap notebooks that costs less than US$500 (Brazil) have 2Gb of memory... a machine that is almost useless running windows 8... about 80% of the new users have this configuration and not to mention the "old" notebooks (2 years old)... that does not runs windows 8... For you to have an idea, a sony vaio notebook sells for more than US $2000, an macbook pro sells for US$3000, a PS4 console is almost US$2000... so a notebook for US$500 is amazing... (14.1" display, 2GB memory, 320Gb disk, dual core 1.2Ghz)... for the price of ONE sony vaio, you can buy 4, for a price of a mac, you can buy 6... There are a lot of happy users... The FreeBSD ports collection I made,have the same 1040 ports... all working in ZFS and the famous "rock solid" that makes FreeBSD soo good.. The Freebsd runs on AMD FX6300 with 6 cores and 16Gb of memory, runs 20 to 40 users in diskless stations with X logged in the server... when they need something from windows, there is a NT2003 server in the machine (virtualbox 2.18) that any user can access... works like a charm... never breaks... cheap (about US$700 the machine)... Gnome3, in my oppinion is for "geek" users... a "normal" user wants the panels, the icons, all integrated in the same environment that gnome took 10 years to build... When, and if... gnome3 have the same kind of integration, and works in any UNIX, I will switch to it... For now, I prefer the "old" gnome2, and the "new" Xfce... Hope my story can inspire more users... Regards, Sergio