From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 5 22:43:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA23188 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:43:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA23162 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:43:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) id BAA09051; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:42:35 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199711060642.BAA09051@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: WTB: Pentium Pro 180 In-Reply-To: <5417.878796140@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Nov 5, 97 10:02:20 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:42:35 -0500 (EST) Cc: opsys@mail.webspan.net, mike@smith.net.au, rezidew@rezidew.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard said: > > Actually I've reconsidered, I was going to use a Tyan tahoe-2 MB and get a > > single Pro and upgrade to another later. > > But seeing as how almost everyone is dropping pro's like a bad habbit im > > I don't know which "everyone" you're talking about here, but everyone > I know still favors the P6/200, with its faster cache and ability to > cache above 512MB, for any server of truly serious capacity. I can > only infer from this that you've been hanging out with the > light-weights again. :-) > (JKH -- I know that you already know what I am declaring below -- but this info/opinion is meant for the more general audience.) I tend to agree -- but with the price of a P6/180 processor being about $250 or so, it is hard to spring for the extra $250. In fact, one can supposedly almost get 2 P6/180 processors for the price of one P6/200. Also, high end P5 processors cost MORE than a P6/180!!! The only reason that I would ever consider a new P5 would be to play with MMX. Since P5 is near the end of it's lifetime, P6 is near it's lifetime, and apparently, the P-II is going to have a short lifetime -- I suggest that almost any processor today is throw-away. (P6 and P-II are much nicer/faster than the P5(even MMX); Even though the P6 is probably deadest, it is still a solid performer under load.) It has all of the interesting features except for MMX. My suggestion is to get a solid Natoma motherboard, and a P6/180. The major argument against this is that it appears that 60nsec SIMMS are likely going to be out of vogue. Any ram that you buy other than SDRAM DIMMS are probably already obsolete. Of course, ram is very cheap now also. -- John dyson@freebsd.org jdyson@nc.com