From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 18 12:04:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A4C639; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:04:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x22d.google.com (mail-ie0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D02D6AB; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:04:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 9so6854846iec.4 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 05:04:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=0meDy78bns5JX0sKDJnVKZUrwdnk5zEGxpKWJFGX8ew=; b=EWLuhOslNiCf91Ho6BHuTRTbnfCibvRLolFv7hhK11ymzydDqJZUrm7gvApHI6Z2Sq 7Ih5OXzUwj8b8a9XhRBRJAAzr2Rf/5JLCRoPsvr6ugHrVLP/4knfQSzZ3O1r/3frtbFu Y4tOqPXCFOK3zejd6ba7ImJVMWrG3qdNBJHZBugUmmVzpIIDpNTtZD29njjK6mRqeRxU zs+5toksmUI/L0LX1k+NLzAG4lNNpHFCeWbXZ3litaPDnA5acWCX62GBeFAh7xCmgS+g /doATv4D1bDuCAZnf9M6HRkmI3abPSze0db6hIUeStsSzwcYi+y3Pw+X5o571NbPlP70 dKmg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.95.146 with SMTP id f18mr9035114icn.9.1363608260356; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 05:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.107.162 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 05:04:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86li9l54e9.fsf@ds4.des.no> References: <20130317212401.0000376f@unknown> <86vc8p5cat.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86li9l54e9.fsf@ds4.des.no> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 05:04:20 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Did someone compare the number of ports with packages in Linux distros? From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: =?UTF-8?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Alexander Leidinger , advocacy@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:04:20 -0000 On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrot= e: > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > > You can get a meaningful comparison by counting distfiles on our side > > and SRPMs / DSCs on the Linux side. > > I asked a coworker who's a Debian developer; he says Debian has ~30k > packages from ~20k distinct sources, which is in the same ballpark as > the ports tree (~24k ports). > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no > > > For me , actually , important problem is "How many packages are supplied with a distribution .iso ?" This point is important , because when a distribution is installed , whether it will produce a workable / usable environment for a (i) server , or (ii) desktop user . I am continuously installing many Linux distributions . Approximately they are supplying 2000 packages per distribution . With respect to selected features ( Desktop , Development , Education , etc. ) , the installed packages is varying between 1000 to 2500 . After completion of installation , it is possible to use the installed system without making any parameter adjustments . I am using KDE . The only required adjustments are the following ( for me ) : >From KDE Settings ( when I try Gnome from its menus ) : Disable screen saver , Disable power saving , Disable gesture , etc. usage , Enable removable media automatic mount In Dolphin ( File Manager ) : Enable double click to activate a selection , Select view mode as detailed , Select displayed file attributes , etc. These are the same for FreeBSD also ( except enable of automatic mount of removable media , selections are ignored ) . The rest in FreeBSD is a nightmare : As it is installed : Install many packages by pkg_add . When a desktop ( KDE . FluxBox , Gnome ) is started : Mouse , key board is NOT working , they are solid rock . To mount removable media : I could not find a way to it . As a result : Only an unusable installation is generated . For example : Version 9.1 Release DVD has some packages , but during install , there is NO any way to install them . It is necessary to be an "Expert" to be able to install them . This structure is driving the FreeBSD in http://distrowatch.com/ "Page Hit Ranking" around 500 at the ranking greater than 20 ( means a small user base with respecto total Linux user base ) . With this installation structure ( not the installer program / script ) , FreeBSD can not be widely adopted , because of like or dislike of it , but not being able to use it . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk