From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 13 19:38:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA9CBD7096 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:38:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm23-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm23-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3321359 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:38:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1473795409; bh=Ua4IdKY2Y17lnYjk2xn/4Sj2miQp3HdMsekxm3NsJqg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=dNqzlV3ffsgKpwo6xGPRpA0kFGfnTBXl5ZDRJwi3ZDWlr8gvydypqlkZBPJWauujnuklTC7pWRc26sdCl/9KW/sqw7Ocez/zMRBFAkc2a82p5PLSO7T//Jg6xZSl3C+sLD8ftT8gIOZqBNhp4gI/a+bsLPsRJHYFiCsnlPQOJ8WP4rOhe7GWYCkwmAwKN0NwrSxkG1vTmaS1tXnLCTYZpd7i4Fp79uaT1QOvhXdA3sw4cfFBcHAbWBoXO0tOoMxwmGIBKFQz6bY7iVXH5NMd5v9Xr++T2tAmz79pOTVD7qTnEJjv7F+XdBfPXdXKNFHhn//L34nsK5HlqBVmNr5pHg== Received: from [212.82.98.126] by nm23.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2016 19:36:49 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.93] by tm19.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2016 19:36:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2016 19:36:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 609091.27876.bm@smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: .Qv8ShoVM1lB7ULN4yy4MlHibbridoCdc.21j.rlgrsugaN 3eOo0QktqmYvQOG7HV1Bx7..O8ZkumI24pB_1kKcOQyVoYxAg9XHmSoFHuB0 FRo.1sYrMtRHu86X8xN5CtnA9msmBEWVVVlywaDf6UoNWzZ_7wOJeS8a_AGI tl99WExGL0ckvhxW4AAJAP9kcpmLc4O5HG0DPZtaSjUjYY4PDaz9U4tiMqv4 icRWlWN6q0wBgcjujjqArCtRFxEKKWaKwGZHUB1PW3n41O80owUUCqbTdhFQ LKag7lUU23NyfD_Vv.1nsJnHA_3nxC00kcrOzQQo8RZBY4zKc8O2_g6jlkGQ hfMoGLsMcEWhjIMdRxz1l9QzooDlfIKjq8Hf5fIbWJYeArzxuBr6.LlXjkp8 eXbd5HO5y9gWsJFdhkW_QvqF.4dloc3_WjA9khNRxaNR1f3B7RsaK8eXTUQ9 HygxQL3gzyWO3sNcddxqzddqIr0aFOqAQ1KHFCgYEob2DlFhyuKUoFVxwC3a LXU5NwVGybqizGlJRZBmAvR8P27gHQiUEIMbGLobzCzo86vU81BPGqqdO8Mh oxYelvSYIXA_zC97GC7GfenwaEE3Z X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:36:49 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best kind of hard drive for heavy use? Message-ID: <20160913213649.3a3f26b2@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> References: <42.56.05022.D3A48D75@dnvrco-oedge02> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0-2-ge48b739 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:38:35 -0000 On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:48:22 +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote: >Experience with Western Digital makes me very afraid of "green" hard >drives. The WD green drives are ok, as long as you don't use KDE, GNOME or a desktop environment that does use gvfs or a similar virtual file system that wakes up the green drive as soon as it spin down. You either need to remove gvfs or similar mechanism or touch the drive before it gets to sleep. Smartd is another culprit that make green drives spin down and up again and again. Be also careful with udisks. Until now I only found one coder that was willing to fix this issue: https://github.com/lxde/libfm/commit/994a1e25ba0c3da80575fc002af17ab02ed5998b The coders of the big desktop environments claim that WD drives are bad and spin down and up again and again, but this is not true. My goes to sleep after around 30 minutes and stays asleep until it gets touched. I also was in contact with WD. Even if you don't use e.g. KDE, but just one time run K3b the issue appears. IOW the green WD drives do exactly what is required by the EU Regulation, just some software is bad programmed. Don't use this software. nOt the drives, the software is bad. Regards, Ralf