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Date:      13 Jun 2002 23:41:22 -0400
From:      Joe Marcus Clarke <marcus@marcuscom.com>
To:        Dmitry Sivachenko <demon@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        Mikhail Teterin <mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com>, Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@FreeBSD.ORG>, ports@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: ports/x11-toolkits/eel2/files patch-Makefile.in
Message-ID:  <1024026082.355.1.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020614032524.GC3248@cavia.pp.ru>
References:  <200206131606.g5DG6PW29106@freefall.freebsd.org> <200206131437.43045.mi%2Bmx@aldan.algebra.com> <3D08ED77.97D26A8C@FreeBSD.org> <200206131604.25852.mi%2Bmx@aldan.algebra.com>  <20020614032524.GC3248@cavia.pp.ru>

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On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 23:25, Dmitry Sivachenko wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 04:04:25PM -0400, Mikhail Teterin wrote:
> > On Thursday 13 June 2002 03:07 pm, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
> > 
> > = > :-) Last discussion was initiated by me. It reached no _conclusion_.
> > = > I'm simply trying to bring this point up again. If you don't wish to
> > = > participate this time -- don't, but don't pretend the closure was
> > = > achieved in the past either...
> > =
> > = The closure was reached: I'll not do it and will not allow to do it
> > = for my own ports and ports maintained by the GNOME team.
> > 
> > This only allows for conclusions about your personality. I reached the
> > closure there long time ago. Unfortunately, I have a hobby to share with
> > you, and a point to make:
> > 
> > 	- testing before using is good, but, usually, tedious;
> > 	- automated tests ease the tediousness (tediousity?);
> > 	- hence: use automated testing whenever possible!
> > 
> 
> Mikhail, ports are intended to facilitate the building process of existing
> software, not to trigger bugs in it.  If you want to run tests, run them manually and
> do not force everybody to do the same.

I'd also like to add, speaking from the GNOME camp, that many of the
tests aren't designed to illicit the problems we face when porting GNOME
applications.  Therefore, they generally just eat up CPU cycles for our
users with no real benefits.

Joe

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