Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:11:27 +0200 From: Daniel Lang <dl@leo.org> To: Ken Smith <kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU> Cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: DNS Stuff Proposal Message-ID: <20030626111127.GB10018@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> In-Reply-To: <20030626013823.GA24444@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <3EF9A5FD.22140.3F8EC95E@localhost> <3EF9F650.2909.40C896BC@localhost> <20030625233455.GA22339@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030625234433.GB22339@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030626010219.GE68238@isnic.is> <20030626013823.GA24444@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU>
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Hi,
lots of stuff to read, I may have overlooked the details, but anyway
I want to suggest something. My suggestion will also be a lot to
read (much more than I intended, but still I ask you, to take
a look at it).
Foreword:
I agree with Oli, that the present system does not work so bad.
I also agree with Ken, that there are things, that could be
improved, notably in the cases, where no delegation exists, yet.
Further, I guess everyone agrees, that the system should not be
too complex.
So here's my proposal:
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In general things remain mostly, as they are and work well.
Responsibilities and Delegation
-------------------------------
1. Case: Where delegation exists, the admins maintaining the
the delegation are responsible for anything under their
domain. All complaints and problems concerning services
within this domain, should be handled withing this domain.
By means that the maintainers of this domain decide.
Example: uk.freebsd.org is delegated to some people, including
Joe. They are responsible for any request that concerns
UK. The contact address is <hostmaster@uk.freebsd.org>.
=20
This is conform with the present system as documented in the hubs
article.
2. Case: No delegation exists, but is requested:
a) The requesting admin of the new site is willing to
take responsibility and have the zone delegated, assuming
all required responsibilties.
In this case, the request is passed to some Mirror/DNS
coordinator, i.e. the person Ken called "Chris".
"Chris" evaluates the request and the requesting party,
granting or denying the request.
The contact address for this request should be something
obvious and easy. It could be <dnsadm@freebsd.org>,=20
<hostmaster@freebsd.org> or if you want to avoid
to hassle this team, put something up front:
<mirror-coordinator@freebsd.org> (beeing "Chris").
If granted, the new site gets the delegation, and becomes
case 1.
Example: Admins in Croatia offer a new site and are willing
and able to take zone responsiblity.
"Chris" approves and <dnsadm@freebsd.org> delegates
the zone hr.freebsd.org once to the Croatian folks.
The future contact for Croatia is
<hostmaster@hr.freebsd.org>.
b) The requesting admin is NOT willing to take responsiblity
OR, the delegation request was denied by "Chris".
"Chris" then decides the following:
i) the site is still worth adding, but delegation cannot
be put into the hands of the requesting party.
=3D>
The delegation still takes place and the zone is created,
BUT it is maintained by <dnsadm@freebsd.org>.=20
So, the zone is created and delegated, but to
the <dnsadm@freebsd.org> people themselves.
The contact address for this new zone will be=20
<hostmaster@newzone.freebsd.org>.
This makes it transparent, if the zone can be transferred
to some admins in that country, if they are available.
Of course, the <dnsadm@freebsd.org> folks, would have to be
willing to carry and maintain the zone.
It avoids confusion, because the general rule, that
<hostmaster@cc.freebsd.org> as documented in the hubs
article, does still apply.
This is a fallback solution, and I don't expect too many
cases like that.
Example: Crotian admins want to have an official ftp mirror,=20
but are not willing or not able to assume responsibilty
for the zone, but "Chris" thinks it's still worth.
The zone hr.freebsd.org is created but maintained by
the dnsadm-team, still the contact address will be
<hostmaster@hr.freebsd.org>, which will reach some
member(s) from the <dnsadm@freebsd.org> team.
They will add an entry for the requested server.
=20
ii) "Chris" decides, it's not worth the trouble, and the
request is finally rejected. (No example).
3. Delegation exists, but the current maintainers of the zone
are unable to continue their contribution.
a) Within the existing zone, there are other maintainers, that
can take over. They can apply to "Chris" for the job, or
the current maintainers can suggest them to "Chris".
If "Chris" approves, the delegation is transferred to the
new admins.
Example: Joe can no longer maintain uk.freebsd.org, but
Brian is willing and able. Joe suggest Brian
(or Brian suggest himself). "Chris" talks to Brian,
and thinks thats a good solution.
<dnsadm@freebsd.org> transfer the delegation from Joe's
nameserver to Brian's.
<hostmaster@uk.freebsd.org> remains valid, but
reaches now Brian instead of Joe.
=20
b) No one can take over the zone maintenance.
GOTO 2.b) :-))
It's really the same here as in 2.b) now. Either the site is
dropped, or the delegation goes back to <dnsadm@freebsd.org>
but with the <hostmaster@uk.freebsd.org> (uk as an example here)
contact address remaining valid.
Extra Goodies that have been provided by Joe, may be dropped
most likely, but that's inevitable.
4. Delegation exists, but the admins are unresponsive, there
are problems, and site admins within the zone are unhappy
with how current <hostmaster@cc.freebsd.org> handles their
requests.
In this case, "Chris" needs to decide, if this becomes case 3.
or remains case 1.
So far how to handle and delegate requests. This proposal should
solve most issues brought up by Ken, while still maintaining
best current practice (where it works) and beeing transparent
enough to avoid confusion.
Drawbacks: * Some person or team must be willing to assume the role
of "Chris", which is a very responsible role.
* The <dnsadm@freebsd.org> team may need to take care of
additional zones (but only in some cases), still this
will result in more work, than just right now.
Authorisation and Authentication
--------------------------------
This issue has been addressed above only indirectly.
Of course "Chris" evaluates and approves or denies=20
requests, so he/she has to power of authorization.
But to simplify things, the following could be
established.=20
For each delegation an OpenPGP conform key-pair should
be created, that is used to sign any further requests to
"Chris" or <dnsadm@freebsd.org>.
A signed request can much quicker be decided.
"Chris" will have to build a directory with at least the following
content:
<zone>, <admins of that zone>, <OpenPGP public key of that admin team>
Example(!):
uk.freebsd.org: FreeBSD UK Admins <hostmaster@uk.freebsd.org>
Joseph Karthauser <joe@freebsd.org>
Brian Somers <brian@awfulhak.org>
Approved public key: .......
Fingerprint : .......
[..]
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Additionally "Chris" can also maintain a list of responsible people
for individual sites, but it may not necessarily be maintained
that accurate. Like
<site>, <admins of that site>, <OpenPGP key of that admins>
Example(!):
ftp7.de.freebsd.org, Oliver Fromme <olli@lurza.secnetix.de>, PGP key ....
[..]
--------
Of course the sites in a zone, that is not really delegated, but
maintained by the <dnsadm> team, should at least be accurate in the
site-maintainer's list.
So much for authorization and keeping track of current admins.
Discussion media
----------------
The default channel to handle any requests, questions or problems
with FreeBSD sites, should be the <hubs@freebsd.org> list,
"Chris" should be subscribed to this list.
Additionally, local zone administrators can set up local lists
to handle and discuss requests, problems, etc within a zone. Example:
<de-bsd-hubs@de.freebsd.org>
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Ok, thanks for reading this so far. A soon as some proposal
(like this) has been approved by you hub admins and the FreeBSD
folks, we can put it (or the parts, that have passed)
in another article to be published. That makes it easier
for us all to implement anything, that we agree upon.
Best regards,
Daniel
--=20
IRCnet: Mr-Spock - Cool people don't move, they just hang around. - =20
Daniel Lang * dl@leo.org * ++49 89 289 18532 * http://www.leo.org/~dl/
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