From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 1 05:05:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A8716A632 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 05:05:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34FC13C659 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 05:04:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so6963921pyb for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:04:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=1WEiViOdVu36VnCKdEwmP/Tofq/ZOLTbcd8dR2J0fQ8=; b=t+EQKrUp00yZ9auzN8otk/dQiGakz3m/ombd71CX2NCSTkwdALKgfWT9FcCjCJEa+qglyUByfrm86A3Pq4PGvOA2IP3Qm2W4tX+grMr5nWyXM2YXRw5r8SUhp7ywgCpygPgdkLTBECkA5ieQF26zMI6MN1PRnUyBaSBAI6S5hYY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bHjhkOIF/zaILktO6jjgjDpQnFUymhM9hIe/mKSTlhTqnvtozMl3UYwXToqrP4LmKrR10a75Fi7mrSeHX2gbgo5jScF7SqPMqkSSuQSreIvqcAfr/3ju4YrVxXglyFNFTPMbpwYJxYtWYDvm5oq9Pszdh8JeaeiYtiRH1Te2JRg= Received: by 10.64.27.13 with SMTP id a13mr4603646qba.1191215083603; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.105.2 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 05:04:43 +0000 From: "Aryeh Friedman" To: Astrodog In-Reply-To: <2fd864e0709302151s48adf33fwda3c908ae67b72ee@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2fd864e0709302151s48adf33fwda3c908ae67b72ee@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: various rants about 7-currnet on AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 05:05:31 -0000 On 10/1/07, Astrodog wrote: > First, i386 arches do not properly support 4GB of memory without PAE. > The set of issues you will encounter without dealing with this first > is somewhat unpredictable... though performance issues, broken > hardware, etc is certainly possible. I had tried PAE before the upgrade (see "what cpu type to use for a intel duo e6850 (i386 or amd64)" in -questions for detail)... I had also tried removing a DIMM... none resolved any issues. > > The ports issue is known. You might be interested in lookup up 32-bit > compat on FreeBSD. Since I am brand new to amd64 can give me a ptr to the right docs? > > The CPUTYPE is amd64 because at the time the instruction set was > invented, and FreeBSD began supporting it, Intel had no plans to offer > support for it, it was an AMD-only offering. Intel decided to support > it, *after* the project did all of the fun work involved in supporting > it, including naming everything amd64. That doesn't negate the confusion... perhaps just mentioning that it works for all x86 and multi core x86 should suffice in hardware.txt and prominently in some place that newbies will see it. > > AMD64 as an arch isn't always suitable for systems. Its load specific. I think since it is clear that at least on a p35 mobo it is the only suitable one we may want to consider saying something. > > In as far as nvidia.ko, and nv are concerned, I've run both of them > without problems, on a wide range of hardware. You do need to make > sure they're binding, instead of vesa, though. (Simply replace "vesa" > with "nv" or "nvidia" in your xorg.conf) > I assume this is under 32 bit compat?