From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 22 16:28:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F1F16A4CE for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:28:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F92343D5C for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:28:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linicks@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so1443533rng for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:28:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=GeqgT6iE+EzGXhCOHScJtO7UewpDhEGBEHAaOvyuUFRYE5ZLxbJtSi1qW7wLzdPHkPi8Oh7R/8xDE5vfrZyTKmPUu+6GKO0vH3r9R8lvv7UidbVjOF9TqZa5R2fTpsfW4L7rHbpjccWB7Iks0bAVhnnYqIHKI3yMXF7sOZDt4lY= Received: by 10.38.149.10 with SMTP id w10mr754689rnd; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.165.35 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:28:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:28:40 -0700 From: Nick Pavlica To: Duo In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <423E116D.50805@usmstudent.com> <423EEE60.2050205@dial.pipex.com> <334ed8bd3d1e5ee9582b706d65919fb4@chrononomicon.com> <20050322133006.GB22896@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anthony's issues [Slightly OT] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nick Pavlica List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:28:44 -0000 Well said! I completely agree. --Nick On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:55:01 -0600 (CST), Duo wrote: > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, Stijn Hoop wrote: > > > Can we please STOP fueling Anthony's drivel? > > > > --Stijn > > > > -- > > Nostalgia ain't what it used to be. > > > > I have two words for you: Mail Filtering. > > Use it. It can work wonders on signal to noise ratio. He is not going to > quit, ever. > > Honestly, the whole disk thing reminds me of an experience with FreeBSD > and an old gateway solo laptop. > > I wanted to make better use of it, as it was given to me, and it had > windows 98 on it. Now, when I went to install 5.3, the machine would boot > off CD, but, completely bork upon trying to get the disk to work. > > I popped in my 4.x CD, it worked with the disk fine. So, something must > have changed. I scoured the list for similar/related issues. And, I found > a simple setting change I could make at boot time, for the DMA settings, > to get 5.3 installed. Made the same change in the .conf for boottime, and > I was off and running. > > What I did not do, was camp out on the list, make wild random accusations > that FreeBSD was a bug infested nightmare, because windows worked, but the > newest FreeBSD did not. Windows has a very high tolerance for errors, > which it masks.Masking such things is typically by design, so as not to > panic the person sitting in front of it. I have seen this time and again. > It's not a reason to panic. Ever. Also consider, it shields alot of > "sysadmins" from real issues, as opposed to forcing them to deal with them > in a real positive way: researching the problem to solution. I think this > is one of the core issues Anthony has: having been sheltered from any real > issues such as these, he's not equipped. > > Having worked to get LinuxPPC (when it was new) working with NewWorld > Macs, and new powerbooks, there are always solutions, provided you dont > act like a reprehensible jackass, who spouts off about their credentials, > etc, ad infinitum, as a justification for bowing to their irrational and > asinine behavior. > > The bottom line is, this guy will never go away. He dosent "get it", so to > speak. He dosent understand the fundamentals of open source methodology, > he does not have a clear, concise, and professional understanding of how > development, or any kind of rational sense of how the troubleshooting > method works. He has zero clue as to how one can apply isolation logic, > and all he wants to do is say, "it worked on NT, now you better make it > work for me, or else your product sucks, and you are not a real developer > if you don't pander to my every whim". > > In the end, yes, he is annoying. But, you can take steps to avoid him, his > posts, and the replies. Set up mail rules, procmail, whatever you need to > do. And, while this may be a hassle, a good set of mail filtering > templates is always a good idea, because Anthony is not the first flaming > troll to ever be on this, or any mailing list, and he will not be the > last. You would do well to accept this, start filtering replies, and bask > in the new found signal to noise ratio. > > I have him blocked, but, not the replies. I think mostly, the list mages > are handling him well, and, reading the fallout is far more entertaining. > > -- > Duo > > Although the Buddhists will tell you that desire is the root of > suffering, my personal experience leads me to point the finger at system > administration. > --Philip Greenspun > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >