From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 14 10:38:09 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC63757B307 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2021 10:38:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DywxX6g6Cz3Mjn for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2021 10:38:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Standards: IEC Giga [re: FreeBSD image size confusion] From: "@lbutlr" In-Reply-To: <20210314012327.2bb13206@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 04:38:06 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7D5A9BF6-290E-4DEE-92CF-DBD3A9BB0D2C@kreme.com> References: <20210314012327.2bb13206@gumby.homeunix.com> To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.41) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DywxX6g6Cz3Mjn X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[0.998]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 10:38:09 -0000 On 13 Mar 2021, at 18:23, RW via freebsd-questions = wrote: > On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 15:52:45 -0700 @lbutlr wrote: >=20 >> On 13 Mar 2021, at 15:07, grarpamp wrote: >>> "giga" =3D "G" =3D decimal prefix, powers of ten, 10^, base 10 >>> underlying "gibi" =3D "Gi" =3D binary prefix, powers of two, 2^, = base 2 >>> underlying =20 >>=20 >> It will be a decade or three before we know if this shakes out the >> way that ISO is trying to force on people. The simple fact is that GB >> has been used for a binary number for decades, just as MB and KB, and >> the moved from MB =3D 2^20 to MB =3D 1,000,000 was driven by Hard = drive >> manufacturers who wanted to market their 100MB drives as 104MB to >> fool people into thinking the drives were larger than they were. >=20 > Proper standards based multipliers have long since been preferred by > hardware engineers wherever feasible. The misuse of decimal = multipliers > is limited to a few things where size is related to access by address > lines, such as RAM, and only there for want of anything better.=20 >=20 > People who think this is driven by marketing It absolutely was the case when 100MB drives started to becomes common. = Cheap marketers selling poor quality drives advertised "104MB" and = everyone else used 100MB; the drive were the same size and the "smaller" = size pf the usable space on the "104MB" drives was written off to = "formatting overhead". (ad hominem nonsense removed) > The existence of proper binary multipliers is long overdue.=20 We will see how that goes. It may be the "GiB" becomes common for = computer storage, but 2^10 2^20 2^30 are definitely "proper", and the = use of "GiB" is still well below the use of "GB", and as much as = official orgs TRY to force language usage, they have no actual ability = to change the language people use. --=20 It was not, it could not be real. But in the roaring air he knew that it was, for all who needed to believe, and in a belief so strong that truth was not the same as fact... he knew that for now, and yesterday, and tomorrow, both the thing, and the whole of the thing.