From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 17 16:48:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28AE106564A for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:48:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0B48FC13 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:48:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbbey12 with SMTP id ey12so1977234vbb.13 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:48:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=V3CJa8mKnslFyiLM037KAbMInxJjVGqJIt2k4TJa4BA=; b=dmM75ClT0JdITF+JR/YUVK1nkfDF2cNUHOTUBWIlDLro01jP75d3mS+GnieGvNp9sa qmSWHjeOCqCj0aejBcJ5OhCkaG8upsmGB+BgVCLLiZ1+UwIaeetjJtAP/RtzDiCWDyVG IJs8lTTJY51S3c6yn+aFIQ7keoyB2w28lUOAo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.89.78 with SMTP id bm14mr8770746vdb.22.1326818914765; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:48:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.191.130 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:48:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1326756727.23485.10.camel@Arawn> <4F14BAA7.9070707@freebsd.org> <20120117010239.GA29529@richh-imac.office.boxdice.com.au> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:48:34 -0800 Message-ID: From: Freddie Cash To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:48:35 -0000 On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > Actually, I don't think it's cash that's the problem. I think it is > more to do with the lack of common goal: the way that releases are > perceived, at least by me, are that a bunch of people "play" in > current then at some point someone decides to take a "cut" of the > current branch and call it a release then work toward making that > "release" passable as stable. To illustrate that, I cannot find > anywhere on the .org website what core@ see the desirable features of > 10.0 to be, or what the committers are working toward. That would be because, with the multi-year debacle that 5.0-RELEASE became while they worked on the "features list for 5.0" (primarily SMPng), the FreeBSD Project has moved away from features-based releases and to time-based releases (although the exact timelines are not carved in stone). You won't find a list of features for the next release of FreeBSD. You'll just find a list of things that people are working on that may or may not be ready in time for the next release. The development is much closer to Ubuntu (release whatever is ready every 6 months) than to Debian (release everything when it's ready, even if it takes 2, 3, 4+ years to make it ready, while the current release grows stale). -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com