From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 13 00:01:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B7C106564A for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:01:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F5E8FC0A for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dadv36 with SMTP id v36so148234dad.13 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:01:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=KwTn2LPJ9JqLVNnfa13+rArGwwEoSvrQdo//DOZIE+U=; b=CsW1rnhD5RzCu1G8mBqIDZ7kodMD+66C2OWG/a6hm8dkyhc7B8uYrjJl4VzLZbSLak EFm0JAwF+sPU4rrdHYUc4SBqbhQWC80VAkN0i3+jQ2y65tE83nMyFZm9ptEhQKr8kMIA 6O6639t+joesxg3kkY0Jho09l/15NYrwM+JkvoDaAvSFSlXRshTAVWKUVyyE5Yh4wzR2 37nwpl2FTHsiwngkXtghEGFN0QWC60aWAI/Or6FQUpQEoBUp3pmL5joQnPQMfaTj+kbJ 2fAey3kMH78AGpDFcy2flUAW3ETGkt+UIMpaePaQjNSbt5TaXydQwz/3gule1Q5UXs2L 0wwQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.223.167 with SMTP id qv7mr44049268pbc.127.1339545660314; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.143.91.18 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:01:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120612011645.GA7807@lonesome.com> <20120612151746.GA33004@DataIX.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:01:00 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Om8WDjyaogM_LEP6x53vUezbf6k Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: John Kozubik Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Matt Olander , Mark Linimon Subject: Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:01:00 -0000 hi, You don't need to change the FreeBSD culture. We'd love to do an 8.4 release. And an 8.5 release, and 8.6 release, etc. The problem is one of resources and time, not of culture/desire. It takes a lot of (volunteer) effort and a lot of (donated) resources to do what we do with releases and release management. Are any of the release team actually working for a company that uses FreeBSD releases, and thus has a vested interest in getting them out the door and supported? That's what needs to be changed. A kickstarter style project would be great, but people can also donate directly to the foundation. It'd be great if there wre more people, time and resources available to do this. But the overlap of companies that want more/longer releases done and supported doesn't seem to overlap that great with the number of people actively doing FreeBSD release management. 2c, Adrian