From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 09:39:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5389CF7 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x22f.google.com (mail-yk0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E63221F8 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f175.google.com with SMTP id q200so5340728ykb.20 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 02:39:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=qLyNMguMH/R4s0BSKoQroTKGyAGQ/5ZUkLpQOgq/Dkc=; b=UPbWPaQzFRwKWAthq+ytvYxjQ2jZsBM6dpPLo69rVtUeJQ3+cPsc2h/2SWyzI6NoPK Ar9rDbGl7Y6vNRcgB6xSc8+UKdyz7Yw2mDeSEV0bVFzdfFlw7VlfeuceOYgosdbLVWoi Wtri3azIEgRl5kWphMe4MpoyEaqlxHdI5ATIDRte3Gm/YoPpPMqDKztoBL1v8UpCGbK/ hfYLQC84We3iBUc/48ygI0jl4Hj5CsOfWyK9R4J4cxuI4WQ1RKBb92JGvvFH4PnRTOD2 EIu6+0n51JbmxiGTM/ISx9gE1xKTuLUf0n4xlZtzZEspOP069gfcGdtfOGoZw1HKcrU3 SpAg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.88.13 with SMTP id z13mr1538074yhe.34.1406626752756; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 02:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.132.80 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 02:39:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20140713190308.GA9678@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <20140714071443.42f615c5@X220.alogt.com> <53C326EE.1030405@my.hennepintech.edu> <20140714111221.5d4aaea9@X220.alogt.com> <20140715143821.23638db5@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140716143929.74209529@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140718180416.715cdc0b@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140722133305.228a1690@gumby.homeunix.com> <8699AF5D2BE8E9EBCFFEEE17@192.168.1.50> <20140722222722.70f13ec9@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140724002912.5eda1757@gumby.homeunix.com> <98DFE7A36ED2EBA26E6C710C@192.168.1.50> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:39:12 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: deciding UFS vs ZFS From: krad To: Peter Giessel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:39:14 -0000 ah you meant i386 compatible not actual i386. My point still stands though. Unless you are scaling out there isnt much difference in costs in actual terms as i got an HP micro server on discount for =C2=A3120 with ram, and i= ts a far more capable machine than a p4. Yes it more expensive, but I would like to see the power requirements for that p4 vs the hp, as im pretty certain the running costs would eat up the margin fairly convincingly over a year or so. Even if it doesnt we are only talking about =C2=A350-60 difference, = which is well worth all the other benefits you get. On 29 July 2014 09:48, Peter Giessel wrote: > > On 2014, Jul 29, at 0:23, krad wrote: > > > you are correct, however if you can afford to put big drives like that > one > > a system you can afford to match up a far more modern cpu with the driv= es > > with a decent amount of ram. Something like the hp microserver is littl= e > > more than =C2=A3100 and is more than capable of handling zfs. 5-6 year = old 2nd > > had kit is as well and it probably cheaper. Also your going to have to > get > > pretty creative to get a modern sata/sas drive to work in an > ((e)*isa|mca) > > based board, which will nullify any cost saving of using decades old > > hardware. > > > That is simply not true. > > At our government surplus store, I can get Pentium 4 computers with 2 GB > of RAM for $25. They have SATA ports on the motherboard, so (2) 3TB SATA > Seagate ST3000DM001 are $99.99 each on Amazon right now with free shippin= g. > For under $250, I can put together redundant server with 3TB RAID 1 > storage. > > Assuming you mean ProLiant 712317-001 Ultra Micro Tower Server, those cos= t > around $400 with 2GB of RAM. 1GB/TB of RAM to storage, it will need more > RAM according to: > "A general rule of thumb is 1GB of RAM for every 1TB of storage.=E2=80=9D > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/filesystems-zfs.html