Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:30:32 -0600 From: "Mike Meyer" <mwm-dated-1016674233.62ba2c@mired.org> To: Chip Morton <tech_info@threespace.com> Cc: FreeBSD Chat <chat@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Free BSD Message-ID: <15506.41016.724233.691143@guru.mired.org> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020315181331.01b26160@threespace.com> References: <20020314204235.L152-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <15505.28725.937368.158235@guru.mired.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020315181331.01b26160@threespace.com>
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In <4.3.2.7.2.20020315181331.01b26160@threespace.com>, Chip Morton <tech_info@threespace.com> typed: > At 11:12 PM 3/14/2002, Dan Peck wrote: > >http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/16564.html > On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 at 16:00:23 Paul Beard wrote: > >Anyway, I count 79 window manager entries in /usr/ports/x11-wm on one of > >my FreeBSD boxes. Add to that the themes and skins that you can add, and > >there has to be something for just about everyone. KDE2 and fvwm have the > >Windows[tm] emulation thing down so starting with one of them might make sense. > I read Jef Raskin's comments, and even though I've heard this opinion > expressed before I don't understand them. If every window manager out > there has done it wrong, why doesn't Raskin put his money where his mouth > is and provide us with his vision of the humane GUI? I know that he's > written his thoughts/experience in his book, but why not give us an > implementation to show the uneducated masses his superior methodology at work? He has. That's what the Canon Cat was. If you find one for sale, let me know. I'd love to see it. > Furthermore, given that most GUIs have pretty much become standard in terms > of the placement and use of various widgets and window decorations, They have? I sure haven't noticed that. Unless by this you mean pure count, in which case most GUIs are Windows of some version. I haven't seen a Mac in a long time - does it frame windows the same way Windows does? > wouldn't radical changes to them essentially run counter to the > standardization that he argues is so beneficial? Yup. On the other hand, the pure waste of having the vast majority of people using such an inefficient window manager is heartbreaking to consider. > It's like the argument for Dvorak keyboards all over again; QWERTY > may not be as efficient, but got so accustomed to it that > displacing it became unlikely. That may well be why he hasn't done a version for a common platform. <mike -- Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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