From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 18 23:20:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from starwolf.com (starwolf.com [208.184.74.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD2537B402; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:20:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from starwolf (greywolf@starwolf [208.184.74.2]) by starwolf.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0J7IdD21533; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:18:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:18:39 -0800 (PST) From: Greywolf To: Brett Glass Cc: Jeremy Lea , Kris Kirby , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@NetBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did NetBSD and FreeBSD diverge? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010118232422.049b7a50@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Brett Glass wrote: # Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:25:18 -0700 # From: Brett Glass # To: Jeremy Lea # Cc: Kris Kirby , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, # netbsd-advocacy@NetBSD.ORG # Subject: Re: Why did NetBSD and FreeBSD diverge? # # At 11:21 PM 1/18/2001, Jeremy Lea wrote: # # >Brett, I think you need to lighten your view of the world. The kill # >files are there because people do this for fun, and reading a your # >rants, flames and paranoid delusions just isn't fun! # # I see that you don't believe I've completed the obligatory # "hazing" yet. Beg pardon, good sirs, but is this what usually happens on the FreeBSD lists, or is this back-and-forth merely an anomaly provided for the amusement of the casually-included NetBSD crowd? When there was a statement made about "hazing", it was made to sound as though it covered both NetBSD and FreeBSD. Observing the ping-pong match in progress, I think I can safely say that the newbies in NetBSD are treated with much less of a hazing than they are in FreeBSD. Why this is, I'm not sure. Regarding ego-boo, anyone who's ever contributed code is not exempt. How many people look at something they've written or patched and smiled as it worked? I know I do that. In the grand scheme of things, it's insignificant -- nobody knows (or cares) that I submitted the code. It works, and that's all that matters, and that's just fine with me, especially considering that I'm not a brilliant coder and can't do device drivers. Regarding the splits: I was only present for the Net/Open split, and I must confess I was a bit dismayed that it happened. In doing my part to try and step in and avert the split, I received no less than several very good pixel-lashings from parties involved and have probably succeeded in alienating several people. So much for good intentions, but life goes on. You have no idea how many times I've mentioned that I'm tangentially involved with BSD (read: I use it and occasionally submit problems and, even less frequently, code to fix them) and been accosted for having such hostile mailing lists. I ask "Which BSD are you talking about?" I'm told either OpenBSD or FreeBSD. I think I've had a small percentage of them report being on NetBSD, so we're not on a high horse over here, especially when stuff that smells like System V or Solaris decides to ride into town. We have our very own System V advocate, and that creates some rather...um...lively discussions, especially when people are forced to look at why they object to importing the mechanism in question ("Does it suck because it's technically unsound, or does it suck just because it's System V?") [Are there any TOTALLY uninitiated people out there who are unaware of the rivalry between the SysV camp and the BSD camp? Ask someone sometime on either side of the fence for why their way is better, but get the other side of the story, too, and make your own decisions.] Sorry to ramble; someone just happened to twiddle the boot flag on something that's been compiling on the hard drive that is my brain... # --Brett --*greywolf; -- *BSD is much like a tipi: No windows, no gates, and an apache inside. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message