From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 18:31:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071E99ABC07; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 18:31:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (gate2.funkthat.com [208.87.223.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gold.funkthat.com", Issuer "gold.funkthat.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3C03195E; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 18:31:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gold.funkthat.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t6PIVii2026231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 25 Jul 2015 11:31:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by gold.funkthat.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id t6PIViSL026230; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 11:31:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 11:31:44 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Scott Long Cc: Alexey Dokuchaev , Mark R V Murray , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers Subject: Re: svn commit: r284959 - in head: . share/man/man4 share/man/man9 sys/conf sys/dev/glxsb sys/dev/hifn sys/dev/random sys/dev/rndtest sys/dev/safe sys/dev/syscons sys/dev/ubsec sys/dev/virtio/random sy... Message-ID: <20150725183144.GX78154@funkthat.com> References: <20150724012519.GE78154@funkthat.com> <20150725143629.GA49086@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 54BA 873B 6515 3F10 9E88 9322 9CB1 8F74 6D3F A396 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html X-TipJar: bitcoin:13Qmb6AeTgQecazTWph4XasEsP7nGRbAPE X-to-the-FBI-CIA-and-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? can i haz chizburger? User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (gold.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 25 Jul 2015 11:31:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 18:31:46 -0000 Scott Long wrote this message on Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 10:04 -0600: > > On Jul 25, 2015, at 8:36 AM, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 07:59:35AM +0100, Mark R V Murray wrote: > >> [...] > >>> Heck, piping in mic data to /dev/random is a good way to seed the > >>> rng on many machines. > >> > >> Well, sure, but what if you don't have microphone? I want lots > >> of choices, in anticipation of only a subset being usable. > > > > I like the microphone idea. Not just it adds another hard-to-mess-with > > (?) entropy source, it can also be a nice "reference" example for people > > wanting to write their own sources and plug them into the RNG framework. > > > > Microphones don???t typically exist on virtual machines, servers, appliances/embedded gadgets, and trusted computers. Nice idea for the desktop, but far from universal. virtual machines have things like virtio_random, most embedded gadgets have an ADC that could be used... Appliances a little more difficult, but trusted computers probably have a hardware RNG anyways... -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."