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Date:      Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:16:22 +0200
From:      Andre Albsmeier <andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de>
To:        Adrian Filipi-Martin <adrian@ubergeeks.com>
Cc:        John Baldwin <jhb@pike.osd.bsdi.com>, "Patrick M. Hausen" <hausen@punkt.de>, stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: No /boot/loader (dangerously dedicated)
Message-ID:  <20000724081622.B87673@curry.mchp.siemens.de>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10007231845580.9238-100000@lorax.ubergeeks.com>; from adrian@ubergeeks.com on Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 06:57:12PM -0400
References:  <200007232030.NAA23028@pike.osd.bsdi.com> <Pine.BSF.4.10.10007231845580.9238-100000@lorax.ubergeeks.com>

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On Sun, 23-Jul-2000 at 18:57:12 -0400, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, John Baldwin wrote:
> 
> > Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
> > > Hello all!
> > > 
> > > Mikhail Teterin wrote:
> > > 
> > > > John Baldwin once stated:
> > > > 
> >  
> > > Folks, gemoetries are for brain damaged PC operating systems.
> > > All the box needs to boot is a proper MBR. BIOSes that
> > > don't boot from a dedicated disk are _broken_.
> > 
> > No, they are actually smart in that they attempt to use a geometry that
> > matches the MBR so that you can move disks around.  As a result, when we
> > try to fake it, it confuses them.
> 
> 	Hmmm.  Perhaps my memory is failing me, but I've been using
> "dangerously dedicated" disks exclusively for the last few years, because
> it was supposed to insulate me from the silliness of BIOS geometry
> translation.  By insulate, I mean that a disk formatted on one system was
> always usable on another even if it decided to have a different geometry
> translation.
> 
> 	I don't shuttle disks around between systems as much as I used to,
> but I do recall dedicated mode helping.  The only systems that had problem
> booting were old and are long gone.  I haven't seen or bought anything in
> the last three years that won't boot a "dangerously dedicated" disk.

Buy a (brandnew) Siemens machine and you will see one :-(.

	-Andre


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