From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 23 19: 1:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5BA37B422 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 19:01:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shannon@widomaker.com) Received: from [209.96.185.98] (helo=escape.shannon.net) by wilma.widomaker.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 152kRE-0008Dx-00; Wed, 23 May 2001 22:01:20 -0400 Received: (from shannon@localhost) by escape.shannon.net (8.11.0/8.8.8) id f4O1XQa18854; Wed, 23 May 2001 21:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:33:25 -0400 From: Shannon To: Technical Information Cc: FreeBSD Advocacy Subject: Re: [dn-core] Re: Perens' "Free Software Leaders Stand Together" Message-ID: <20010523213325.A18474@widomaker.com> References: <000001c0e028$20147860$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <20010519092859.F7708@wantadilla.lemis.com> <000001c0e028$20147860$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <20010523183233.A15682@widomaker.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010523201422.017b5868@mail.threespace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010523201422.017b5868@mail.threespace.com>; from tech_info@threespace.com on Wed, May 23, 2001 at 08:17:55PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 08:17:55PM -0400, Technical Information wrote: > I'm not sure I see the difference. You have to figure that if he thinks > Mach is crap, and MacOS X is derived from Mach, then he thinks that MacOS X > is crap. It's like saying "He didn't call Pavarotti stupid. He said > Italians are stupid." Let's not ignore the context of the quotation. MacOS X is not derived from Mach. It uses Mach, but it is derived from FreeBSD 3.2. It's more like he said he hated Italian shoes. "Oh, he hates opera because Pavarotti is part of the opera, and he's wearing Italian shoes!" I think this is just a case of the media looking for news where there is none. This is ten year old news at best. > Besides, I don't think anyone is faulting Mr. Torvalds for having his > opinion. But his public handling of it is still pretty poor given his > status and the weight his comments carry. What public handling? The media gave you a sound bite that may very well have been part of a 30 minute discussion, the full disclosure of which might end the debate completely. He cannot "handle" every little spin the media puts on his words. No one can. I'm curious about what he thinks of MacOS X specifically, but until someone asks, "Linus, what is your opinion on MacOS X and it's FreeBSD 3.2 foundation", and he answers, we have no idea. -- shannon@widomaker.com _________________________________________________ ______________________/ armchairrocketscientistgraffitiexenstentialist "And in billows of might swell the Saxons before her,-- Unite, oh unite! Or the billows burst o'er her!" -- Downfall of the Gael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message