From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 3 22:48:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C0016A46F for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:48:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danial_thom@yahoo.com) Received: from web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 454B743D45 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:48:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danial_thom@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19277 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2006 22:48:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Hz5U+BwMiuy4RU/rmlqGXVlq9Ftpu466LcPcOrYKoAVxSIKsbRB4ndoRlJ+ZK/x0khRVYpOVAq0+Z4W0y7O1GprNGNOFBFPtpcNDK1nMNHJxzHKB+judWH1pAZKxI0QI3gIBkBPagyUWYKChP5/QifydEd8ChEUQSNULxecV1qY= ; Message-ID: <20060603224806.19275.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.34.182.15] by web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:48:06 PDT Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:48:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Danial Thom To: Ted Mittelstaedt In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Recommendation for 1000BASE-SX card? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: danial_thom@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 22:48:10 -0000 >Its easy enough for commercial companies to fix >the bugs if they need to use the broadcom >drivers. There's just little incentive to donate >the code back with this bunch of rude, >incompetent clowns that have become the FreeBSD >micky mouse club. I don't think it's that being the problem. I think the problem is that the engineers at places like HP and ASUS and such, know perfectly well the Broadcom and the Realtek and the other cheapo-crappy ethernet chipsets are garbage. But, I think they figure that they are not going to throw expensive programming time on solving the problems of those chips in software. I think they spend the expensive programming time on their high-end gear, which has the Intel chipset and the other good stuff, high end parts in it. There was a time when name brand companies like Dell, HP Gateway, Micron, etc. etc. made 2 lines of computers. Cheapo crappy desktop gear, and expensive high quality server gear. What I think ruined it is too many people pressing cheapo crappy desktop gear into use as servers, it was cutting into the high-end server market in a big way. So, the Dell's and the HP's of the world realized they needed to create server lines (and the motherboard manufacturers realized this too with motherboard lines) that were marketed as servers, but were a lot cheaper than their high end servers. This would allow them to package the exact same crappy desktop parts in a box marked as a "server" and costing twice as much, yet not as much as the really good quality server gear. And so that is what is going on these days. ______________________________ Ok, well we've blown the yahoo buffer so I have to crop. I'm not sure that its those corporate monsters making a conscious effort to rip people off. The market is uneducated. Managers at those companies don't know anything, and the engineers that design MBs are asian robots that just do schematics and make the chips work. People selecting products today are not engineers and have no idea now to test hardware; heck even Matt Dillon admits that he doesn't understand how the PCI bus works, and he's trying to design an operating system. Doesn't care either. Its all about the CPU. Which is silly, since putting a big, honking CPU on a box with a bad chipset or a cheap NIC devalues the CPU to the point that you might as well just get something cheap. Virtually no-one has any clue about the performance of their box. People are willing to spend any amount on their MB and CPU, and they they'll go out and buy a realtek ethernet card, or a 32-bit gig card to save a few $$$. Its mindless. Its so mindless I can't believe it. And even if you explain it to them, they still don't understand. Its like a bunch of women buying clothes. Costs more, must be better. Its just crazy. DT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com