From owner-freebsd-security Fri Aug 20 12:47:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.terahertz.net (saturn.terahertz.net [209.83.5.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CBE15699 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:47:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mustang@TeraHertz.Net) Received: from localhost (mustang@localhost) by saturn.terahertz.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA94266; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:45:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:45:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Malayter To: jay d Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Evren Yurtesen , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: multiple machines in the same network In-Reply-To: <19990820194238.29331.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Too late? :) Spill the scoop. Chris Malayter Mustang@TeraHertz.Net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Administrator, TeraHertz Communications | | | InterNIC CM3647 | Chief Engineer - 95.1 WVUR - Valparaiso,Indiana | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Behavior is hard to change...but character is nearly impossible" On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, jay d wrote: > current project >:) i probably shouldn't have said that. > > jay > > --- Chris Malayter wrote: > > Care to elaborate on that? I'm in a colocated > > facility with multiple > > boxes that I am sure our root comprimised, if in > > fact you can sniff on a > > switched network, I'de like to know how you protect > > yourself against that? > > > > Chris Malayter > > > > > > Mustang@TeraHertz.Net > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Administrator, TeraHertz Communications | | > > | InterNIC CM3647 | > > Chief Engineer - 95.1 WVUR - Valparaiso,Indiana | > > | > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > "Behavior is hard to change...but character is > > nearly impossible" > > > > > > On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, jay d wrote: > > > > > What you really want is a VLAN capable switch. > > VLAN switches simply > > > designate what ports on a switch can see what > > other ports on the same > > > switch. I have to correct you though, Rodney, as > > sniffing is currently > > > possible through switches. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > --- "Rodney W. Grimes" > > wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > We are an ISP and we want to let our customers > > to > > > > put their own hardware > > > > > into our network. But the thing we are > > concerned > > > > about is security of > > > > > course. How can we protect our system from > > > > customers' machines? > > > > > > > > I would strongly suggest that you place your > > > > customers on a ethernet > > > > switch. Any of the modern 10/100 switches work > > well > > > > for this. Each > > > > customer gets 1 port on the switch, if they have > > > > more than 1 machine > > > > they install thier own hub connected to the > > switch. > > > > This prevents > > > > them from sniffing other customers traffic. > > Then > > > > you need to setup > > > > a router between this switch and your DMZ with a > > > > firewall rule set > > > > that stops all the nasty stuff like RFC1918 > > nets, > > > > smurf amplifier (block > > > > the broadcast addresses to all known subnets), > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have heard about somehthing called "virtual > > > > network" but I am not sure > > > > > of what it means and even if it is the thing I > > am > > > > searching for ? > > > > > > > > You don't need VLAN's for this, it's overkill. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) > > > > rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to > > majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body > > of > > > > the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of > > the message > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message