From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Dec 4 01:47:36 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FCDDB979C for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 01:47:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) Received: from btw.pki2.com (btw.pki2.com [IPv6:2001:470:a:6fd::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA94C7334A for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 01:47:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by btw.pki2.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vB41lBlt080450; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:47:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=pki2.com; s=pki2; t=1512352032; bh=z1Wxz7U/wTduuuI+IWrlwpWjdqE2Bee8M+1gOjeGnb0=; h=Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:References; z=Subject:=20Re:=20Welcome=20flavors!=20portmaster=20now=20dead?=20 synth?|From:=20Dennis=20Glatting=20|To:=20Steven =20Hartland=20,=20Adam=20Weinberger=0D=0A =20|Cc:=20Baho=20Utot=20,=20freebsd-ports@freebsd.org|Date:=20Sun,=2003=20Dec=202017=201 7:47:11=20-0800|In-Reply-To:=20|References:=20=0D=0A=09=0D=0A= 09=20=0D=0A=09=20=0D=0A=09=20<1512211220.79413 .1.camel@yandex.com>=0D=0A=09=20=0D=0A=09=20<201 71202184356.GA980@lonesome.com>=0D=0A=09=20=0D=0A=09=20<20800E88-36EC-49C4-A28 1-EA6BAB212DBF@adamw.org>=0D=0A=09=20<048e2faf-873e-beb5-35fe-ad8f 3f8ea5be@columbus.rr.com>=0D=0A=09=20<9BFBB00F-0786-4B92-A564-EABD 0179BD93@adamw.org>=0D=0A=09=20; b=Ip5KdIt83GDUGWK3DKKkNgMA8CLnWLg81EPOrtOJvr3MF424eQy7UMSlniIh6PjuM XXtUhghjsL7vAeUzdXJ0dPMNSyh5M7BgS+gQnNUAo0AD4gvIrROIYjiU73QuHtP5O9 I6+q3yuqc5hT4bVjrOjjLLzl4OTha8FixOba9Nm/D2yHQjYdaPoWJ/Fuh7OhLqD3KI a4ZGZzSyfxqFMPf2X6L+lI42ngnJPCfnoiilMZzq8fHshhrHnPMXCfSVA9SBw7lHmW edPINwodtED4A1253eifP7JcXsJlLElImNbf4VDPp8zPc+ONCwoITvHJJTu0tDaMVA fN6XHM80y/KUA== Message-ID: <1512352031.73246.1.camel@pki2.com> Subject: Re: Welcome flavors! portmaster now dead? synth? From: Dennis Glatting To: Steven Hartland , Adam Weinberger Cc: Baho Utot , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 17:47:11 -0800 In-Reply-To: References: <1512211220.79413.1.camel@yandex.com> <20171202184356.GA980@lonesome.com> <20800E88-36EC-49C4-A281-EA6BAB212DBF@adamw.org> <048e2faf-873e-beb5-35fe-ad8f3f8ea5be@columbus.rr.com> <9BFBB00F-0786-4B92-A564-EABD0179BD93@adamw.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.24.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-yoursite-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-yoursite-MailScanner-ID: vB41lBlt080450 X-yoursite-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-yoursite-MailScanner-From: freebsd@pki2.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 01:47:36 -0000 On Sun, 2017-12-03 at 20:07 +0000, Steven Hartland wrote: > People really seem to miss the point that there are only finite > resources > and as an open source project that depends on people volunteering > their > time to add new features and maintain tools. Missing the point cuts both ways. If you have a a couple swaths of servers managed to certain tool chains then the conversion process is an unnecessary and non-trivial resource consumption. I have moved servers to Ubuntu and (groan) other Linux flavors and customized the processes because: 1) I am tired of port breakage. I am past tired of being told to read UPDATEs when UPDATEs often has limited information, including install conflicts. 2) "Error 70" on installs with no indication of where the error was incurred and thus requiring me to make with debug flags and then dig deep is past annoying. 3) Nvidia does not support CUDA under FreeBSD and this is a problem for TensorFlow and other applications. If I went the OpenCL route (e.g., AMD GPUs) then my application base would be significantly limited. I don't consider Intel a serious solution. Further: 1) Under FreeBSD I do not do binaries, rather I do source and I do source for reasons. Under Linux, source is troublesome. 2) I had no hope of getting Intel Phi processors working under FreeBSD but I do have them working under Linux, including the older Phis under CentOS. I recognize this is an Intel problem which is one of the reasons I do not consider Intel a serious solution, not to mention the requirements and cost of an Intel compiler and Intel libraries. 3) FreeBSD offers me ZFS and FreeNAS as an alternative, particularly for HyperV/VMware SANS. Under Linux, ZFS has historically been troublesome. These are nothing more than a few data points. Please do not bother with the "then become a maintainer" response. It is not that I do not appreciate the efforts of others but that statement is a BS response, you know it, and I'll simply delete your message.