From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Fri Mar 1 13:07:40 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D50B1516D13 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 13:07:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9ED8D77CA5; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 13:07:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id x21D7Xib061433; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 05:07:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id x21D7XMc061432; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 05:07:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201903011307.x21D7XMc061432@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: r343567 aka PAE vs non-PAE merge breaks i386 freebsd In-Reply-To: <947175c5-215b-c100-c6e7-c79a2322f98a@FreeBSD.org> To: John Baldwin Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 05:07:33 -0800 (PST) CC: Cy Schubert , cem@freebsd.org, sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu, freebsd-current X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9ED8D77CA5 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.51)[0.513,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dnsmgr.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.18)[0.177,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.45)[0.453,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13868, ipnet:69.59.192.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.01)[ip: (0.06), ipnet: 69.59.192.0/19(0.03), asn: 13868(0.01), country: US(-0.07)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 13:07:40 -0000 > On 2/28/19 11:14 AM, Cy Schubert wrote: > > On February 28, 2019 11:06:46 AM PST, Conrad Meyer wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:32 AM Steve Kargl > >> wrote: > >>> This is interesting as well. Does this mean that amd64 is now > >>> the only tier 1 platform and all other architectures are after > >>> thoughts? > >> > >> This has been the de facto truth for years. i386 is mostly only > >> supported by virtue of sharing code with amd64. There are efforts to > >> promote arm64 to Tier 1, but it isn't there yet. Power8+ might be > >> another good alternative Tier 1 candidate eventually. None have > >> anything like the developer popularity that amd64 enjoys. > >> > >> Conrad > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > We deprecated and removed support for 386 and 486 processors. We should consider removing support for low end Pentium as well. I'm specifically thinking of removing the workarounds like F00F. Are there any processors that are still vulnerable to this? > > We have only removed support for 386 since it didn't support cmpxchg. We still > nominally support 486s. I don't know how well FreeBSD 13 would run on a 486, but > in theory the code is still there and the binaries shouldn't die with illegal > instruction faults. I know I can still boot FreeBSD 12, diskless no less, on a Transmeta Crusoe TM-5800. I'll go digging for a 486 and confirm or deny if we can boot ^head on it. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org