From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 3 16:32:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4930816A417 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:32:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ade@lovett.com) Received: from mail.lovett.com (foo.lovett.com [67.134.38.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5E313C47E for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:32:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ade@lovett.com) Received: from inferno.canal.lovett.com ([172.16.32.23]:64994) by mail.lovett.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IzEDe-000HvQ-NY; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:32:30 -0800 Message-Id: <3BC04A18-86CD-4A93-831A-691EBD8D4A43@FreeBSD.org> From: Ade Lovett To: David Southwell In-Reply-To: <200712030308.32301.david@vizion2000.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:32:30 -0800 References: <200712030308.32301.david@vizion2000.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Sender: ade@lovett.com Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:32:31 -0000 On Dec 03, 2007, at 03:08 , David Southwell wrote: > Enough!! The zeroth group involves those that decide to invoke quasi-religious concepts where they're completely out of place, in a vain attempt to make their point. Live by the code, die by the code. Show us some code. Or, quite frankly, since y'all have missed the subtleties of others, put up, or shut up. Now, y'all don't have to like what I say. Honestly, I don't care either way. But the way things get done around here is, at a minimum, proof of concept code. Harping on endlessly in self-selecting mailing lists will only serve to raise your own blood pressure. Accept this, move on, develop even a prototypical framework, and it *will* be considered. Of course, I can't guarantee that it won't be ridiculed, or otherwise laughed out of town, but them's the breaks. Angels and Demons are merely messenger boys (and gals) of their respective executive line management. No sense calling into question their particular motives. -aDe