From owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Mon Jul 15 18:05:00 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EF2C0177 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 18:05:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mail.blih.net (mail.blih.net [212.83.177.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.blih.net", Issuer "mail.blih.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C6AA6F5AF; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 18:04:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mail.blih.net (mail.blih.net [212.83.177.182]) by mail.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id bf6ae806; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 20:04:56 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=bidouilliste.com; h=date :from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=He2V8jbwdbBArXfmWbZm2weLCzI=; b=rzxhZKwgQsMo6/+5F6nOERUaONq1 DmtTOwaYtauZT6R4JMUXb1keKWN5U7bNmQug6cidhqGMJBVWztfXfHeS4Tq+uU/Y 2JlQhy+EbiwVhw4WxuIwyUrNXzE5f4dWM6V3Z51tLmdqqvOEHVCgbk+tDppMcrgx DvL6bjB+LxKG+E0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=bidouilliste.com; h=date :from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s= mail; b=Twab6KDSohantXFmWACqW/PUdu25MkWWrXEBO0yIdAjPXRBYm5T8VS8S OYLotbIPPrkL0Xh2q3Bwsx0I9awrsjdB+b85GukgKtwi+kiurlvDf0xWKmbBRxDK OPXF4fzbm2K7mL1R6aMALnGZNl0/S1bYSaFnz42ltDaLFM5m4H0= Received: from skull.home.blih.net (ip-9.net-89-3-105.rev.numericable.fr [89.3.105.9]) by mail.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 80a24394 TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 20:04:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 20:04:56 +0200 From: Emmanuel Vadot To: George Mitchell Cc: Mark Linimon , Ian Lepore , freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.3-RELEASE and 11.2-RELEASE images fail to boot on BeagleBone Black Message-Id: <20190715200456.6d64e3b9297ca0f54ffc0577@bidouilliste.com> In-Reply-To: References: <8352f841-0522-9f45-148d-d2948e97857e@gmail.com> <20190713152404.GJ1503@dendrobates> <6b3dcec02b425a8559605b4e6c5ada19ee642728.camel@freebsd.org> <20190713194256.GK1503@dendrobates> <85e35455-793a-84fe-c8cf-39b89ade7c11@gmail.com> <900bc3467c7e28f58e8e6cf17e881bdefcb3b751.camel@freebsd.org> <20190714174432.GC26897@lonesome.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3C6AA6F5AF X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bidouilliste.com header.s=mail header.b=rzxhZKwg; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of manu@bidouilliste.com designates 212.83.177.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=manu@bidouilliste.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bidouilliste.com:s=mail]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.62)[-0.621,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:212.83.177.182/32]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bidouilliste.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.71)[0.708,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.80)[-0.801,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bidouilliste.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx-backup.blih.net,mail.blih.net]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(0.22)[ip: (-1.26), ipnet: 212.83.160.0/19(2.66), asn: 12876(-0.29), country: FR(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12876, ipnet:212.83.160.0/19, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 18:05:00 -0000 On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 14:41:46 -0400 George Mitchell wrote: > On 2019-07-14 13:44, Mark Linimon wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 10:04:30AM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: > >> [...] Two or three years ago it looked like arm was at the point where it > >> should be a tier-1 platform, and I put a lot of effort into things like > >> testing releases, because releases that actually work seem like an > >> important thing for a tier-1 platform. > > > > I will have to admit ignorance of the past history, so I can't address > > what went wrong there. > > > > But my own view as a very casual user of arm is this: > > > > - we need more people doing testing (both releases and snapshots), and > > reporting the results. > > > > - we need to be better about gathering that information together. > > [...] > > Both of you are right. But despite my own forlorn hope a few years back > that ARM would become a fully-fledged Tier 1 platform, the fragmentation > of the market has made it impossible. But I still hope that maybe three > or four widely popular ARM boards (Raspberry Pi being the most obvious > possibility) might individually be declared Tier 1. -- George > If we promote an ARM board to tier-1 this will never be one of the RPI. None of the active ARM FreeBSD developper works on it (and don't really want to as the board and the docs just sucks). Just go with Allwinner or IMX6 based board and you will be good. -- Emmanuel Vadot