Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:58:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb> To: sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dropped of the lists, *AGAIN* Message-ID: <199807172058.NAA20544@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <199807172049.NAA23035@kithrup.com> from Sean Eric Fagan at "Jul 17, 98 01:49:31 pm"
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Sean Eric Fagan wrote: > > in you case the MX servers, kithrup.com and data.pa.vix.com, > > are diversely connected. Unfortunately, your NS servers > > are not. you have only two NS records, both at scruz.net. > > > > scruz.net is served, according to my current version of > > the BGP-4 table, by uu.net. uu.net does suffer outages, > > just like the rest of us. this is why my employer has two > > isp's which are diversely connected: uu.net and crl.com. > > > > the implication is that in the past you may have suffered > > lose of NS service....and immediate mail bounce. that will > > get you unsubscribed pretty quickly if you are on a high > > volume list or it happens during a high volume spurt on a > > normally quiet list. > > I would strongly suggest you have evidence of that. I actively watch my net > connectivty, basicly continuously as I can (while I am awake and near a > computer). > > Guess what: i know excatly when my NS information was out. I also know how > long it is cached, when it is valid, and when it was lost. > > My NS information has not been lost to the point of having "kithrup.com" being > invalid, since early 1996, when I moved and switched ISP's. You do understand > that it's cached, don't you? It takes seven days for the information to > expire. > > Now, make up your mind: was I removed because mail bounced? You said no, > earlier. You claimed it was because a fibre cut resulted in corrupted files. you count 4 times. i claim two reasons. > Which is it? Note that I informed you, via a note to postmaster@freebsd.org, > on the weekend of June 27/28, that my connectivity was down, and there might > be some mail bounces, but it would be fixed by Monday, June 29th, morning. and you were not removed from the lists. > And, gosh, it *WAS*. But, amazingly enough, mail was continusouly delivered > to my MX host throughout the weekend. (There were some bounces Monday > morning, when I had several thousand mail messages come through > simultaneously, and used up my open file space. Fixed a bit later. But that > is not three days worth of bounces.) 20 is my cut off....more that than in a 24 hour period qualifies an address for removal. > If you remove at first bounce, you're doing the wrong thing. If you do not > keep track of which ones were removed due to bouncing, so they can be added > when a transient problem is corrected, you are doing the wrong thing. > > If you are not sure why addresses were removed en masse, you are doing the > wrong thing. > > And, even more interesting, I WAS STILL ON THE LISTS AS OF JULY 7th. > > That's last week. Two and a half weeks after my ISP went out. > > So why am I not on all the lists I am supposed to be? please re-read my earlier email. its time for me to take the kids to swim practice, so i'll be off the net for a while. i got go swim my laps as well ;) jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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