Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:56:02 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner <nbm@mithrandr.moria.org> To: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> Cc: Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did NetBSD and FreeBSD diverge? Message-ID: <20010119115602.A11655@rapier.smartspace.co.za> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010118233228.04a5f5f0@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 11:33:13PM -0700 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010118232422.049b7a50@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010118215247.047d8df0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010118152351.00cb89a0@localhost> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0101182256190.56691-100000@spaz.huntsvilleal <4.3.2.7.2.20010118215247.047d8df0@localhost> <20010118222129.B360@shale.csir.co.za> <4.3.2.7.2.20010118232422.049b7a50@localhost> <20010119115716.M11626@physics.iisc.ernet.in> <4.3.2.7.2.20010118233228.04a5f5f0@localhost>
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On Thu 2001-01-18 (23:33), Brett Glass wrote: > >You mean, you think reading your rants, flames and paranoid > >delusions *is* fun? > > Another fun aspect of the hazing: those doing it have a > tendency to "pile on." I know this runs the risk of starting a "Brett vs. World" pile-on, and it was indeed inspired in part by the behaviour that Brett describes (I assume in a deprecatory manner), but since we're spouting about social groups, entrance, hazing, and so forth... Part of many groups, is the person who never realises that people in the group really don't approve of his behaviour, and _really_ don't agree with his rhetoric, despite his numerous anonymous referrals to people who do. The possible reasons he gives to himself are either mass delusion or mass stupidity within the members of the group. Of course they want him to behave this way; they'd be stupid not to. This person sometimes, but not always, complains about how the group shouldn't badmouth him to within the group, or with others, and accuses them of backstabbing his attempts to do "what the group really wants, but just doesn't know it". What this person doesn't really understand is that he isn't showing the respect of the group necessary to have reciprocal respect. While it's usual for groups to have members of varying beliefs, it is unusual for groups to allow in members who show fundamentalist tendencies in areas where there are varying beliefs within the population and push that vision as a vision for the entire group. If this fundamentalist nature also continues to drive new members of the group, this compounds the hesitancy to admit this person as a member to the group. This person tends to not to realise the group exists for purposes other than which he believes it should have, and tends not to change his views. I'm not a qualified student of social science, but I have seen this within two groups of which I am a member (a militant feminist and an anti-discrimination group, and an anti-religious person in a an organisation opposing the benefits accorded to certain religious groups at a university). I also managed to realise I was inhibiting my own entry into a group due to my drive for a belief that was not yet even thought about, let alone shared. However, upon realisation, I toned down the rhetoric, and joined the group for the sake of the group, not my personal causes, as the group exists for its own purposes, not necessarily my own. Subsequently, those purposes have become increasingly similar to mine, as I contribute to the group, and prove my worth as a member of the group, and with the natural sharing and modification of views of members in the group. (I'll make this on-topic by mentioning that this has to do with BSD advocacy. Or something.) Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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