From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 28 20:29:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED35C16A4CE for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:29:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fast.dnswatch.com (fast.dnswatch.com [216.177.243.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3190D43D55 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:29:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from null@dnswatch.com) Received: from fast.dnswatch.com (localhost.dnswatch.com [127.0.0.1]) by fast.dnswatch.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j3SKT1rt008713; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:29:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from null@dnswatch.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by fast.dnswatch.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id j3SKT0lv008712; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:29:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from null@dnswatch.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fast.dnswatch.com: www set sender to null@dnswatch.com using -f Received: from mail.1command.com ([216.177.243.35]) (DNSwatch.com_WebMail authenticated user null) by webmail.dnswatch.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53801.216.177.243.35.1114720139.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> In-Reply-To: <20050428115258.rpvu466t68so80w4@netchild.homeip.net> References: <57436.216.177.243.42.1114582155.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com><426FDE69.8090909@samsco.org> <426FE1EA.7020900@kutulu.org><20050427212637.GL98718@over-yonder.net> <20050428115258.rpvu466t68so80w4@netchild.homeip.net> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:28:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "/dev/null" To: "Alexander Leidinger" User-Agent: DNSwatch.com_WebMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot banner project X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:29:07 -0000 > "Matthew D. Fuller" wrote: > >>> Mounting File Systems ... [ok] >>> Starting xl0 ... [ok] >> >> This is something I've always found somewhat ironic, actually. I'm >> not really sure overall whether I like it or not, but it IS very >> structured and consistent. The irony is that I find the Linux kernel >> bootup messages to be an insane mishmash that I can never sort >> ANYTHING out of, relative to FreeBSD's very neat and structured kernel >> probes. So maybe an OS is only allowed to be neat in one of the two >> 8-} > > I think restructuring our userland boot message would be a good start. I'm > not talking about the above proposal, even if I think it's nice (but a > little bit too terse for me), I'm talking about rethinking the actual > (since > the new rc system) clutter. > > The 4.x startup looks structured (it could be improved to be more eye > friendly, but the beauty lies in the eye of the beholder), while the 5+ > one > is neither fish nor meat. It's a mixture of the 4.x one with the "Starting > xyz" messages from the new system. Since we don't try to keep the new > system > diff friendly with the NetBSD source anymore, I think we could change it > to > fit our needs. Maybe this would be a better place for me to start (assuming no objection(s)). I mean, it may turn out the large majority of opinion is: boot-banner SUX! So in either case; making what already exists more desirable/ funcional; seems the best place to start something. As opposed to adding to something that might me better polished up. What's more, I was thinking; what if the current settings ( verbose/ terse ) were expanded and prettified(stylized). Example: 3 settings; 1) no output: black, or blank screen until the prompt/ login. 2) terse: a) only dumps warnings b) dumps item at succesful load, or else failure message as returned by failed object. 3) verbose: a) raw (pretty much the way it is now but unify/ sanitize the messages returned - (4.x ify?)) b) prettified (example(s): mysql or mysql ) both or *could* be colorized. Anyway, it seems like this would be an opprotunity to unify/ bring the current proccess up to date _and_ provide for a manner of display that has something for everybody. Am I crazy? Probably, but that's not the real question here. ;) -Chris > > Bye, > Alexander. > > -- > http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 > http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137 > Big book, big bore. > -- Callimachus > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > //////////////////////////////////////////////////// If only Western Electric had found a way to offer binary licenses for the UNIX system back in 1974, the UNIX system would be running on all PC's today rather than DOS/Windows. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////