From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 30 13:14:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13519 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:14:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from snark.thyrsus.com ([192.190.237.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13484 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:14:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from esr@snark.thyrsus.com) Received: (from esr@localhost) by snark.thyrsus.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA16607; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:30:44 -0400 Message-ID: <19980730123043.F16515@snark.thyrsus.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:30:43 -0400 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Brian Behlendorf , Don Wilde , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: branding References: <19980730044544.A16278@snark.thyrsus.com> <17474.901791172@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <17474.901791172@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Thu, Jul 30, 1998 at 02:32:52AM -0700 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan K. Hubbard : > So I ask you - are you with us or against us? If you're with us, then > PROVE it by helping to push *all* free software not just that which > fits your somewhat limited definition of "marketable" free software. > If you're against us, then at least have the guts to state it > publically so that we can figure out some way of working around you. I will do precisely those things which I believe will advance the cause of open-source software, whether it's Linux or BSD or anything else. I will *not* be bullied into changing either my tactics or my strategy by threats that you will "go to the mat" with me about it. You want more neon for BSD in the Open Source campaign? Here's how to get it: 1. Send more information on BSD-based products that are *making money*, that will tell a convincing story to people who are suits not hackers. 2. Stop whining. I'm giving Linux more play than BSD not out of prejudice but because Linux is *winning*, looking like a success, tapping huge amounts of energy, visibly gaining market share. BSD is not. When I want to persuade people, I talk about winners. 3. Give up on personally pressuring me. All that does is suggest that BSD does not in fact *have* a substantive case. -- Eric S. Raymond You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the great struggle for independence. -- Attributed to Charles Austin Beard (1874-1948) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message