From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 18:27:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C4516A41C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 18:27:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca) Received: from imap.sd73.bc.ca (smtp.sd73.bc.ca [142.24.13.149]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495E343D4C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 18:27:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.sd73.bc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C213118CCE5 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imap.sd73.bc.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailtest.sd73.bc.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 71090-03 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s9.sbo (s9.sbo [192.168.0.9]) by imap.sd73.bc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC1C18CCE3 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:26:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Freddie Cash Organization: School District 73 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:26:56 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20050608212440.EDE1520F01@krell.webweaver.net> In-Reply-To: <20050608212440.EDE1520F01@krell.webweaver.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200506091126.57072.fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at sd73.bc.ca Subject: Re: apple moving to x86 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:27:03 -0000 On June 8, 2005 02:24 pm, Nicole wrote: > On 07-Jun-05 My Homeland Security "observers" reported that Erich > Dollansky said: > > Claus Guttesen wrote: > >> on the ongoing work with FreeBSD. As most know by now Apple will base > >> it's next-generation hardware on the x86-architecture moving away > >> from the PowerPC. > It seems a shame that they could not have at least gone with AMD > processors instead of Intel. No matter how closely they are tied to IBM. Apple has always been about the platform. They like to control as much of the computing experience as possible. In a way, it makes sense to go with Intel, as Intel is on way to "platformisation", where they don't just sell CPUs, but a CPU + chipset + I/O (wireless, ethernet, audio, video) in a single package. Look at the Centrino branding, and how they want to bring something similar over to the desktop. So, Apple could start with laptops based around some form of Centrino. That way, they only have 1 source for CPU/chipset/IO needs, and can make sure that their software definitely works on that hardware. Limit the choices, improve the software experience. Will the go with the existing Centrino/PentiumM that is only 32-bit? Maybe, since their existing laptops (G4-based) are 32-bit. Or, will Intel be ready with the next Centrino/PentiumM that includes EM64T support by the time Apple wants to release the first laptop? Who knows, there's still a year before the first Apple computer with Intel Inside is available. If they went with AMD processors, then they would have to either build or find someone to build a chipset. Then they would have to either build or find someone to build a motherboard around that. And so on. Too many partners, too many variables, too many people to wait for. Intel can whip up everything they need, which means they can focus on the software. It's not like Intel is going to up and disappear next year. :) Ars Technica has a couple of very intriguing articles on this subject, and they make a lot of sense. -- Freddie Cash, CLCP CNCP Network Support / Helpdesk School District 73 (250) 377-4357 fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca