From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 24 18:40:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA03915 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:40:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat) Received: from hwcn.org (main.hwcn.org [199.212.94.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA03910 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@hwcn.org) Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (ac199@james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hwcn.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA22295; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA12964; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:41:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca: ac199 owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:41:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: ac199@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca To: James Raynard cc: Michael Elbel , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Are Kudos ok on this list? In-Reply-To: <19971024192834.62260@jraynard.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, James Raynard wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 1997 at 01:47:42PM +0200, Michael Elbel wrote: > > > > But then we've been through that discussion before. Maybe someone > > could write up a couple of arguments with regards to freely available > > vs. costs nothing. > > Here's something I wrote about 18 months ago (complete with SGML tags!) A good collection of points, but it wouldn't have bothered me a bit if you'd biased it a little more! :) For example, a couple a snide comments about the quality of commercial support... We don't really just have an open nature of developement, we are using a new, innovative open source distribution system which is used to extensively test and review FreeBSD from security, performance, and cost-effectiveness viewpoints. Our open distribution helps enable you (the customer!) to regain control over your business. And, commercial systems don't just charge extra for basic system components, they force you to pay more for features that FreeBSD includes for free! And, dammit, FreeBSD developers are not hobbyists, they are professionals! Professionals who, because they are not pressured by managers concerned only with their own company's bottom line, are able to devote more energy and effort into making the system Work Right(tm) for you. Or, well, whatever... ;-) Where's Jordan? He's good at this kind of bullshit. :-) -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk