From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 29 23:35:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D89B16A4CE for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:35:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 41E9543D31 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:35:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 8278 invoked by uid 65534); 29 Oct 2004 23:35:35 -0000 Received: from pD95D8047.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO lofi.dyndns.org) (217.93.128.71) by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 30 Oct 2004 01:35:35 +0200 X-Authenticated: #443188 Received: from kiste.my.domain (lofi@kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9TNZQoo006721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:35:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) From: Michael Nottebrock To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:35:20 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20041027161650.GA39008@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <41829D84.5000903@errno.com> In-Reply-To: <41829D84.5000903@errno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart12959465.4qQ5QJ4CYG"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410300135.24727.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: Sam Leffler cc: Christian Weisgerber Subject: Re: ACX100 Firmware Licensing X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:35:38 -0000 --nextPart12959465.4qQ5QJ4CYG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday, 29. October 2004 21:44, Sam Leffler wrote: > > "Activism pays off for OpenBSD" > > http://theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/29/1098992287663.html > > And this form of activism also turns off lots of vendors. That would mean there's anybody to actually turn off. Like you say yourself: > The open=20 > source market is virtually non-existent to vendors so you will never get > anyone to do anything by arguing they should make a change because it > will increase their sales. All the vendors Theo&co are going after are > bit players with inferior products that are in trouble in one way or > another. =2E.. and are widespread as built-in devices in today's cheap massmarket=20 hardware. And OSS operating systems need cheap massmarket hardware to run o= n. > The proper way to make things happen is to find a vendor that=20 > is basing a product on an OSS and use their influence to make things > happen. So you're saying OpenBSD should find themselves a Yahoo, Inc and use them t= o=20 pressure vendors and that's the decent way then? Ridiculous. I myself returned the pair of el-cheapo TI-1131 wireless nics I initially=20 bought and got Atheros-based hardware instead, but many laptop users with=20 built-in hardware who don't want to run Windows do not have that choice. If= =20 Theo tries to pave a way for them, it's a good thing. =2D-=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --nextPart12959465.4qQ5QJ4CYG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.9.11 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBgtO8Xhc68WspdLARAlHsAJ9oa5sraxHMPe3HuWamNhIdTMmwMwCffOn+ IMUI+UT31gqK5mN7T0uYsZ0= =QJ3l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart12959465.4qQ5QJ4CYG--