From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 1 23:16:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6CD37B405 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fA27GdT75527 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:16:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Subject: RE: Smashing Bill Gates necessary? - ressurected? Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:16:38 -0800 Message-ID: <005c01c1636e$50647dc0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <20011101103050.A96028@keyslapper.org> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Louis LeBlanc >Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 7:31 AM >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Smashing Bill Gates necessary? - ressurected? > > Much as I hate to say it Ted, weren't you the one who originally asked > that this thread be taken off list? no > I agreed with your statement that it was way OT, and the message you > replied to here was sent off list. And to someone else exclusively. I > was unaware that my statements were going to be brought back on list > by some third party. As a rule I don't post responses to private mail to public mailing lists. If I did in your case I'm deeply sorry. Are you sure that it was me? This thread has gotten pretty long. > I have no problem discussing these things, either on or off list, but > I am having a little trouble understanding just where you stand on it Simple. First, I assert that the idea that the anti-trust trial against Microsoft shouldn't have happened is flat out wrong. Second I assert that the idea that the findings of the various courts in the anti-trust trial are irrelevant is also flat out wrong. Basically, the anti-trust trial SHOULD have happened, and it's results are binding. Just because you or I or Bill Gates or anyone else doesen't like the results, doesen't make the results wrong or irrelevant. In fact I consider that the issue of the rightness or wrongness of the results is now completely irrelevant. Obedience by Microsoft and it's supporters to the punishment the court determines is the only thing relevant. I also assert that the judgement is correct except that it didn't go far enough, and that Microsoft is even more guilty than what the court determined. I also state that Microsoft has had in the past (and probably still does) a campaign to push the idea out there that they are the victims of the DoJ anti-trust trial. They also are attempting to push out the idea that the results of the trial are irrelevant and don't matter to anyone. Both of these ideas are carefully constructed lies by Microsoft's PR department. When people talk about the anti-trust trial as though it's results are some kind of "suggestion", they are consciously or unconsciously spreading the lies that Microsoft's PR department has created. The finding of the court is that Microsoft is an illegal monopoly, and people that do illegal things are criminals. Bill Gates and the other company officers of Microsoft should be put in prison for a time like any other criminal so they can reflect on their crimes and understand that there is a price to unethical business practices. People that argue that MS is being persecuted have no understanding of the elaborate lies and deception that Microsoft practiced and the threats and harassment that they practice and still practice, and the unethical contracts that they force OEMs to sign. Microsoft literally destroyed one of my previous employers (a software developer) with their unethical business dealings and I know that it's true that they are a pack of criminals, I've seen it happen right in front of me. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message