From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 17 18:36:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA340106564A for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:36:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0E88FC0C for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from julian-mac.elischer.org (c-67-180-24-15.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.180.24.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q0HIareU096503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:36:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <4F15C004.80100@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:37:56 -0800 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Thunderbird/3.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Atom Smasher References: <4F14E0A1.4080306@rawbw.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:36:55 -0000 On 1/16/12 10:29 PM, Atom Smasher wrote: > > so i guess that means that i'm tougher than a typical laptop user... > and instead of making things easier, freeBSD is getting harder. > > thing is, when people don't "play" with freeBSD on laptops and > desktops, then they grow up, get real jobs, and don't know much > about it. > > if this keeps up, i'll cross a line where i just get more > comfortable with linux and migrate my freeBSD servers to it. > > this is one of the areas where linux is doing well... people are > "playing" with it, but in the process they're getting used to it and > comfortable with it. from that background, they can install a linux > based server without breaking a sweat. linux's ease of use and > hardware support are seeding the next generation of FLOSS and *nix > users... and most of them have never installed/used freeBSD. have a play with PCBSD some time